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Old 11-17-2013, 12:35 AM   #631
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Re: Who's your pick's for next HC, DC and OC?

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Is Garcon better than Reggie Wayne? Is he better than Dez Bryant? Is he better than Jordy Nelson? How about Randall Cobb? Demaryius Thomas? Keenan Allen? Brandon Marshall? Antonio Brown? Michael Crabtree?

I kinda feel like anyone who honestly feels that Garcon is one of the best receivers in the NFL is going to dismiss the idea that someone who has been in the league three or fewer years can be better than him...but I think that's just flawed process. There's a lot of players that were drafted in the last three years at receiver who are more productive than Garcon.
You named 9.. You got 21 more?
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You named 9.. You got 21 more?
Of course there are 21 more. I wasn't going to bother with the pro bowlers, because this was a Pierre Garcon conversation.

If you want a list of receivers that have been more productive this season, you can start with these 44:

FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | WIDE RECEIVERS 2013

I don't recommend making career evaluations off 9 games though. Garcon however, has been the same guy his whole career, regardless of whether his QB was Manning, Painter, or Griffin. 2012 was probably his best year, and he only played half a season.
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Of course there are 21 more. I wasn't going to bother with the pro bowlers, because this was a Pierre Garcon conversation.

If you want a list of receivers that have been more productive this season, you can start with these 44:

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I don't recommend making career evaluations off 9 games though. Garcon however, has been the same guy his whole career, regardless of whether his QB was Manning, Painter, or Griffin. 2012 was probably his best year, and he only played half a season.
Because players cant improve right? Some players regress and others improve. Garcon has improved and hes 100% a top 20 WR right now.
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No way crab or cobb are better than PG ,crab has had 1 good season 1. Cobb has had half a.season. I think Pierre is around 20
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I'm no Bill Parcells but here's my top 20 as of right now this season.
No particular order

Mega
AJ Green
D Thomas
Dez Bryant
Fitz
Julio Jones
Nelson
Vincent Jackson
Welker
Marshall
Steve Johnson
Josh Gordon
Desean Jackson
Cruz
T Smith
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Andre Johnson
Justin Blackmon (not high)
K.Allen
Colston

May switch Cobb and Allen if Cobb was healthy
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Because players cant improve right? Some players regress and others improve. Garcon has improved and hes 100% a top 20 WR right now.
He definitely showed signs of improvement last season, particularly fighting though the foot injury.

This year? He's who he's always been. If you feel he's improved and he's playing like this, I don't know what you attribute that to. When you rattle off seven wins in a row, you need some guys to play a bit over their true talent level. That's what Garcon did for us last year.

It's not that he's not trying as hard this year or that he doesn't care, it's just that every issue he's put on tape this year (rounding off routes, dropping passes, failing to create space consistently) are issues he's shown quite often in the past.

If you really want to quibble that he's actually the 28th best receiver in football because he's a great blocker too and so I'm wrong to say he's not top 30...go ahead, I'm not going to argue if he's top 25 or top 30 or top 40. That doesn't matter. He wouldn't be in my top 30.
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No way crab or cobb are better than PG ,crab has had 1 good season 1. Cobb has had half a.season. I think Pierre is around 20
Depending on how you count 2012, one could argue that Garcon hasn't had a good season yet, and that anyone who has had only one good season should be ahead of him.

I think the whole industry would take Cobb over him. Most people are incredibly bullish on Cobb. I think they are more split on Crabtree, but I'd still take Crabtree over Garcon. I just think he's a more refined player. But if you want to take Garcon because he's available (healthy) more often, that's fine too.
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He definitely showed signs of improvement last season, particularly fighting though the foot injury.

This year? He's who he's always been. If you feel he's improved and he's playing like this, I don't know what you attribute that to. When you rattle off seven wins in a row, you need some guys to play a bit over their true talent level. That's what Garcon did for us last year.

It's not that he's not trying as hard this year or that he doesn't care, it's just that every issue he's put on tape this year (rounding off routes, dropping passes, failing to create space consistently) are issues he's shown quite often in the past.

If you really want to quibble that he's actually the 28th best receiver in football because he's a great blocker too and so I'm wrong to say he's not top 30...go ahead, I'm not going to argue if he's top 25 or top 30 or top 40. That doesn't matter. He wouldn't be in my top 30.

LOL.. You're so full of shit..

Ill just stop at "I don't use stats"
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Re: Who's your pick's for next HC, DC and OC?

They don't technically play the same position, but does anyone here think Garcon is a better offensive player than Jordan Reed? Because I think Reed is so, so much better that I would assume all Redskins fans would vouch for me on that one, getting to watch the both of them on the same field.
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LOL.. You're so full of shit..

Ill just stop at "I don't use stats"
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They don't technically play the same position, but does anyone here think Garcon is a better offensive player than Jordan Reed? Because I think Reed is so, so much better that I would assume all Redskins fans would vouch for me on that one, getting to watch the both of them on the same field.
I don't recommend making career evaluations over 9 games though -Gtripp. ...... GG! Lol

Keep your head up Gtripp and keep feeding us our comical relief. What would the Warpath be without it.?
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I don't recommend making career evaluations over 9 games though -Gtripp. ...... GG! Lol

Keep your head up Gtripp and keep feeding us our comical relief. What would the Warpath be without it.?
Don't think there was any sort of career evaluation being made there. Just a current one.

I find you adorable. You try so very, very hard...I almost wanted to just concede that one to you.
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Over the last 16 games Peter Boy had been a borderline top 20 WR. Though inconsistent he also was an impact player in some games. But his career overall is top 30 at best, I mean being very kind.

That said I think he could be a solid guy for a long time, part of a nice WR group. So....get another guy like him and there you go. I wish Hank was that player.
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Re: Who's your pick's for next HC, DC and OC?

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Of course there are 21 more. I wasn't going to bother with the pro bowlers, because this was a Pierre Garcon conversation.

If you want a list of receivers that have been more productive this season, you can start with these 44:

FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | WIDE RECEIVERS 2013

I don't recommend making career evaluations off 9 games though. Garcon however, has been the same guy his whole career, regardless of whether his QB was Manning, Painter, or Griffin. 2012 was probably his best year, and he only played half a season.
Jericho Cotchery is the 4th best WR in the league according to you? Jordy Nelson is the number 1 WR overall in the entire NFL this year? Larry Fitzgerald is the 58th best WR? That is what that stat is telling me. That is just all kinds of useless to judge a WR on. I really doubt there are many calling Cotchery a top 5 WR and Nelson the best this year.
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Guys who are clearly better than Garcon: D Thomas, Dez Bryant, Megatron, AJ Green, B Marshall, Vincent Jax, Josh Gordon, Julio Jones, Victor Cruz. These teams, he is clear number 2.

Guys who are on their way out, who you wont build around on this team, who wont be better within a year: Andre Johnson, Roddy White, Reggie Wayne

Guys who are not better than Garcon: Torry Smith, Jordy Nelson, Antonio Brown, Macklin, Jennings, Decker, Hakeem Nicks, James Jones, Crabtree Anybody from NE, Anybody from Miami, Anybody on Minny, Anybody on Seattle, etc. etc.

Guys who seem system, slot guys you could argue are better than Garcon: Welker, D Jax, Hilton, Cobb

Not mention any rookies, resume too small and not comparable
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