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Old 11-18-2013, 09:36 AM   #691
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(SIGH) I think I just threw up.

I'll go with your pick at GM or just keep Allen. However you HC idea makes me sick to my stomach. If he was any good as a HC he would still be a HC somewhere. The only good thing about him is that he's a disciplinarian. Woo Hoo. His teams usually suck though. Oh and your DC? please. No and Thank You for playing. Raheem can go also. Our back field sucks and that's his specialty.

My idea if they don't give this shin dig one more year with $36 mill at hand...

DC: Allen- he's done a fine job.
HC: Briles- reunite RG3 with his HC that made him a success.
DC: John Chavis LSU, or Kirby Smart Alabama.

Also heard a story about how the Eagles are running an old school style defense and how it's working. Maybe we should find someone in the similar mold if we don't want to go the college route.

Were we need to improve a million times over? Special Teams. I'm not sure of the answer here. Maybe the best college coach here as well I don't know.

P.S.- I'd let Briles pick whoever he wanted as OC since he would have to work with them closely.
I can't believe anyone here is on board with Briles. The guy doesn't even carry a freakin' playbook. What kind of halftime adjustments is he going to make? This isn't Baylor vs. Texas Tech. Throwing 15 wr screens a game doesn't work here. As sophisticated at the NFL game has become, we can't afford to hire a guy like this. On top of that, RG3's mechanics are downright awful, ....Briles coached this guy...right?
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Old 11-18-2013, 09:39 AM   #692
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How hard is it not to imagine Steve Spurrier?

I suppose, now, it's probably inevitable that the Redskins will be rolling with a new coaching staff next year. My only word of caution on that is the "anybody but Shanahan is better" approach is NOT the way to go. Because, just anybody isn't a better option than Mike Shanahan. No matter how this season ends (and it looks to end badly) I maintain my admiration for the good things/the right things that Mike Shanahan has done for this team. The bottom line is, I realize, wins and loses.

With that said, if what Smootsmack has said is what's happening in terms of the front office, then let the new GM pick the head coach and let that head coach pick his coordinators and assistant coaches. I don't personally have a favorite in terms of head coaching candidates, but I do have traits/personalities/work ethics that need to be a must if he is to succeed in Washington.

The new head coach is going to have to be a disciplinarian, first and foremost. It is not acceptable to bring in a "bright offensive mind" that has no idea how to establish discipline. I'd argue that it's pretty easy to find a bright offensive mind - but none of it works without discipline.

Secondly, the coach needs to have a work ethic that is common to what we saw when Joe Gibbs coached this team in the 80's. Someone who's willing to live, eat, and breathe Redskins football. Someone who is willing to put in the hours it takes to make this team a winner. If he's not willing to stay (and live) at Redskins Park until the wee hours of the morning, I don't want him in Washington.

Lastly, the coach needs to have an eye of talent. It's not always the GM (alone) that brings in the players - the coaches have say as well. This new coach will need to work closely with the GM to bring in exactly what he needs. It can't simply be "we bring in the players, you coach them" approach. That doesn't work.

The next six weeks will be interesting.
The "sleeping in the office" is a bunch of BS. That doesn't win football games. Players making plays does.
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I can't believe anyone here is on board with Briles. The guy doesn't even carry a freakin' playbook. What kind of halftime adjustments is he going to make? This isn't Baylor vs. Texas Tech. Throwing 15 wr screens a game doesn't work here. As sophisticated at the NFL game has become, we can't afford to hire a guy like this. On top of that, RG3's mechanics are downright awful, ....Briles coached this guy...right?
I don't entertain the Briles conversation with any level of seriousness. He's not an NFL coach. In addition to the reasons you listed, he's never given any indication he's remotely interested in the NFL either. If we hired Briles, the Spurrier and Zorn hires would look brilliant in comparison.

I'm pretty sure our next coach (although not 100% convinced he will be on our sidelines in 2014, Shanahan may lame duck it) will be an NFL coach with prior head coaching experience or extensive experience as a defensive coordinator.

Offensive head coaches usually want 'their' QB and 'their' system but a defensive head coach can bring someone in that suits the pieces we have in place and build the system around them.
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I can't believe anyone here is on board with Briles. The guy doesn't even carry a freakin' playbook. What kind of halftime adjustments is he going to make? This isn't Baylor vs. Texas Tech. Throwing 15 wr screens a game doesn't work here. As sophisticated at the NFL game has become, we can't afford to hire a guy like this. On top of that, RG3's mechanics are downright awful, ....Briles coached this guy...right?
I still can't believe someone has made it to the college ranks of coaching with out a playbook. Which to me says if true?... he's a genius.

On a side note...anyone see the old school hand signs being given to the Eagles offense from the sideline? or the Pictionary being given to the defense.
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I don't entertain the Briles conversation with any level of seriousness. He's not an NFL coach. In addition to the reasons you listed, he's never given any indication he's remotely interested in the NFL either. If we hired Briles, the Spurrier and Zorn hires would look brilliant in comparison.

I'm pretty sure our next coach (although not 100% convinced he will be on our sidelines in 2014, Shanahan may lame duck it) will be an NFL coach with prior head coaching experience or extensive experience as a defensive coordinator.

Offensive head coaches usually want 'their' QB and 'their' system but a defensive head coach can bring someone in that suits the pieces we have in place and build the system around them.
I've seen it work the other way also. A DC brought in and he just picks someone whom he either likes or is the best candidate available and lets them run the other side of the ball.
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I still can't believe someone has made it to the college ranks of coaching with out a playbook. Which to me says if true?... he's a genius.

On a side note...anyone see the old school hand signs being given to the Eagles offense from the sideline? or the Pictionary being given to the defense.
The Cheesesteak Defense was working well for Philly. I think we need to install some of that here
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The "sleeping in the office" is a bunch of BS. That doesn't win football games. Players making plays does.
After my full post, the only thing you got was "sleeping in the office"? Really? That's the only thing you zeroed in on? LOL...geez.
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I still can't believe someone has made it to the college ranks of coaching with out a playbook. Which to me says if true?... he's a genius.

On a side note...anyone see the old school hand signs being given to the Eagles offense from the sideline? or the Pictionary being given to the defense.
He's not a genius, he's a college coach where the talent mis-matches are huge and coaching isnt all that important. Besides that, what has this guy won? Spurrier was a highly successful college coach who won championships is maybe the toughest college conference and he did that on talent mis-matches not coaching because when he was faced with equally talented opponents his coaching proved inept.
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Briles doesn't have a traditional playbook, but they put everything on an iPad and label and number the plays.

Baylor coach Art Briles builds his offense around each quarterback - ESPN
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The "sleeping in the office" is a bunch of BS. That doesn't win football games. Players making plays does.
I think "sleeping in the office" shouldnt be discounted.
It sure bodes better than showing up, getting paid, and home on time.
The coaching position requires as much sacrifice and dedication than the players.
Heck in any successful business, upper mgt works just as hard as the working class.
Gibbs slept in his office. What do you think would happen if he gave up when sleepy or if his tummy hurt? Good teams has work ethic that trickles down.

I love hearing about guys who Arrive early and care to perfect their craft and want to win. That's why we've been upgrading and investing in team facilities.

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Briles doesn't have a traditional playbook, but they put everything on an iPad and label and number the plays.

Baylor coach Art Briles builds his offense around each quarterback - ESPN
i wouldnt mind bringing Briles in, but he cant run everything on his own. We would need a strong d cordinator, someone who can bring him along. Someone who is known and respected in the lockeroom. We are losing alot vets and leadership out of the lockeroom this year.

If we brought Briles with a weak staff, I have no doubt it would be another Spurrier epic fail.
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I think "sleeping in the office" shouldnt be discounted.
It sure bodes better than showing up, getting paid, and home on time.
The coaching position requires as much sacrifice and dedication than the players.
Heck in any successful business, upper mgt works just as hard as the working class.
Gibbs slept in his office. What do you think would happen if he gave up when sleepy or if his tummy hurt? Good teams has work ethic that trickles down.

I love hearing about guys who Arrive early and care to perfect their craft and want to win. That's why we've been upgrading and investing in team facilities.

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I'm sure Shanahan and his assistants put in a ton of hours. I highly doubt they show up at 9am and are out by 5pm. I just find that really hard to believe. They're just not getting it done on gameday. But I will not doubt their work ethic.

Ritchie Petibone, while he was DC under Gibbs never slept in his office. Yet he was one of the best at his craft. To me it's quality time working, not the amount of hours you're at the facility.
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i wouldnt mind bringing Briles in, but he cant run everything on his own. We would need a strong d cordinator, someone who can bring him along. Someone who is known and respected in the lockeroom. We are losing alot vets and leadership out of the lockeroom this year.

If we brought Briles with a weak staff, I have no doubt it would be another Spurrier epic fail.
If there is any question or concern that the head coach would not be strong enough to be respected and looked upon as a disciplinarian, then this franchise doesn't need him. The coordinators can't appear to have more respect than the head coach. That's a setup for failure every time. A coach like Belichick, Gibbs, Parcells, or Schottenheimer succeeds/have succeeded because they are disciplinarians. It is clear who's in charge.
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Briles doesn't have a traditional playbook, but they put everything on an iPad and label and number the plays.

Baylor coach Art Briles builds his offense around each quarterback - ESPN
This passage from that article is pretty much all I needed to see to cement in my mind that Briles would flop at the pro level.

"We don't put too much pressure on quarterbacks to have to make reads and decipher defenses," said Kendal Briles, Baylor's passing game coordinator and wide receivers coach. "We allow them to be comfortable and know where the ball should go in coverage instead of having to read a lot of things before a play. They're not having to read a lot of things on the run."

Art Briles said the less a quarterback has to think, the faster he can play.

"I think we're a little unique in that we do that," he said. "We try to ease the load on the quarterback. I've always felt like that guy has enough stuff going on without trying to slow him down. I'd rather free him up and let him play fast. He's got a lot on him already."


This also supports what John Keim has said repeatedly, that RG3 wasn't nearly as refined of a passer than some of his peers coming out of college who were in more 'pro-style' offenses and had to read pre-snap and post-snap coverages at the college level. He's clearly smart enough to get there and with a full offseason of reps and prep I'd anticipate a nice leap next year in his passing abilities, Briles would be a detriment to his development.
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I don't want Briles I'm hoping for Shaw if we go the college route
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