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Old 11-19-2013, 10:42 AM   #766
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i wouldnt mind bringing Briles in, but he cant run everything on his own. We would need a strong d cordinator, someone who can bring him along. Someone who is known and respected in the lockeroom. We are losing alot vets and leadership out of the lockeroom this year.

If we brought Briles with a weak staff, I have no doubt it would be another Spurrier epic fail.
I'd let Briles run his offense. It's what made RG3 famous. However, you right we would need a strong OC to be able to point out what will work and what won't, not a yes man.
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Old 11-19-2013, 10:43 AM   #767
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I really hope you guys are being sarcastic when you're talking about Pat White.
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Seems to have worked just fine for the Patriots and Giants in modern football. But of course, you absolutely turn a blind eye toward what else I said - which is a coach that players respect and WANT to play for. Nice try but you failed again.



Now look who's trying to put words in who's mouth? Again, I never said anything about sleeping in the office - you are the one who brought that up. I merely was saying that I want a coach who's willing to put in the time it takes to make this team successful - a perfectionist like Bill Walsh - someone who's going to take pride in being a Redskins head coach. If he can do all that by 8pm every night, great. But my point is, and obviously you cannot read context clues, is that I want a coach who is not going to put in minimal effort. I want maximum effort out of the coach. That is all I meant when I said a coach who's willing to put in long hours at Redskins Park - because it's going to take a heck of an effort to build this team into a constant winner.



And this is where I'm calling you out on. Because in 1992, Richie was still the defensive coordinator - HE WAS NOT THE FREAKIN' HEAD COACH! I wouldn't expect Petitbon to put in the long hours that Gibbs did. GIBBS DID BECAUSE HE WAS THE HEAD COACH. What part of this do you not comprehend? And secondly, OK, 1993 - Richie Petitbon was head coach. Didn't put in the long hours? Look what the record was in 1993 - 4-12. Richie Petitbon was fired. In 1994, no more Gibbs and Richie Petitbon. So your example proves more of my point than it does yours.




No it wasn't. 1992 was the year after the 'skins last Super Bowl run and they barely made it into the playoffs. 1993, the team was 4-12. 1994, Norv Turner was hired. You have not proved your point at all. Thanks for making it easy in proving mine.
Really? I didn't know that! lol..my point was Gibbs spent almost all of his time on offense. Yeah the coach has extra responsibilities...but there's no reason for a head coach to stay til 3am to be a winner. We'll agree to disagree.
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Execution and playcalling is a problem so I say change the coordinators.

However, I believe Allen and Mike Shanahan need to be kept so we can see what they can do with a full salary cap.

When all we can afford is Josh Morgan and Brandon Meriweather and we can't afford to upgrade from Tyler Polumbus to protect our franchise QB...were you really expecting a lot of success.

We've OVERACHIEVED as far as I see it after this cap hit. It should have really buried us, but we managed to win the division last year despite it. This year, it's really having it's intended impact. We don't have the talent any other team has. Even Tampa Bay and Jacksonville can afford better WRs and DBs than us and it's starting to show.

We're going to go shopping big time in this offseason and next year will be the year of NO EXCUSES from our GM and Coach. No more Vinny remnants, no bogus cap penalty...no excuses.

Even through this cap hell, we've managed to draft some great young talent and once we can reinforce the roster holes with proven players instead of "who needs a job?" guys, we should have a very good team around Griffin, Morris, Reed, etc.


Think how things would be different if we had Garcon AND Vincent Jackson...Eric Winston or Ryan Clady at Right Tackle, a secondary with guys like Brandon Carr instead of Brandon Meriweather, or Brent Grimes, Dawan Landry...these are the guys we lost a shot at and not just one of them, we could have signed all of them.

The impact that penalty had was MASSIVE and we didn't really realize how much it hurt us while we were cruising to the playoffs last season. Now, it's effects and the reality of it are setting in.
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Really? I didn't know that! lol..my point was Gibbs spent almost all of his time on offense. Yeah the coach has extra responsibilities...but there's no reason for a head coach to stay til 3am to be a winner. We'll agree to disagree.
Obviously you didn't, because your prior point was that a head coach doesn't need to stay late to be successful and you used your "inside source, lol" from an era in which Gibbs was pretty much done with coaching (1992) to prove your point that a coach doesn't need to work late to be a winner. And then added that Gibbs was the one (1992) that stayed late, lol! Such a contradiction. And then I point that fact out to you, and then you say your point was that Joe Gibbs spent almost all of his time on offense - lol! Sorry, but you did a piss poor job of proving your point. I'll certainly agree to disagree, because you're wrong, lol!
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Execution and playcalling is a problem so I say change the coordinators.

However, I believe Allen and Mike Shanahan need to be kept so we can see what they can do with a full salary cap.

When all we can afford is Josh Morgan and Brandon Meriweather and we can't afford to upgrade from Tyler Polumbus to protect our franchise QB...were you really expecting a lot of success.

We've OVERACHIEVED as far as I see it after this cap hit. It should have really buried us, but we managed to win the division last year despite it. This year, it's really having it's intended impact. We don't have the talent any other team has. Even Tampa Bay and Jacksonville can afford better WRs and DBs than us and it's starting to show.

We're going to go shopping big time in this offseason and next year will be the year of NO EXCUSES from our GM and Coach. No more Vinny remnants, no bogus cap penalty...no excuses.

Even through this cap hell, we've managed to draft some great young talent and once we can reinforce the roster holes with proven players instead of "who needs a job?" guys, we should have a very good team around Griffin, Morris, Reed, etc.


Think how things would be different if we had Garcon AND Vincent Jackson...Eric Winston or Ryan Clady at Right Tackle, a secondary with guys like Brandon Carr instead of Brandon Meriweather, or Brent Grimes, Dawan Landry...these are the guys we lost a shot at and not just one of them, we could have signed all of them.

The impact that penalty had was MASSIVE and we didn't really realize how much it hurt us while we were cruising to the playoffs last season. Now, it's effects and the reality of it are setting in.
I agree with you. I'm all for giving Shanahan another year to prove he's the guy to turn things around, but it sounds like if the front office is not willing to give him an extension (and right now I do have to say there's more reason not to) then I doubt Mike would stay as a lame duck head coach. Then again, maybe he doesn't see it that way? In the end, I just want this team to win. I don't care who the head coach is, I just want this team winning on a regular basis. Playoffs, Super Bowls, etc...
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Execution and playcalling is a problem so I say change the coordinators.

However, I believe Allen and Mike Shanahan need to be kept so we can see what they can do with a full salary cap.

When all we can afford is Josh Morgan and Brandon Meriweather and we can't afford to upgrade from Tyler Polumbus to protect our franchise QB...were you really expecting a lot of success.

We've OVERACHIEVED as far as I see it after this cap hit. It should have really buried us, but we managed to win the division last year despite it. This year, it's really having it's intended impact. We don't have the talent any other team has. Even Tampa Bay and Jacksonville can afford better WRs and DBs than us and it's starting to show.

We're going to go shopping big time in this offseason and next year will be the year of NO EXCUSES from our GM and Coach. No more Vinny remnants, no bogus cap penalty...no excuses.

Even through this cap hell, we've managed to draft some great young talent and once we can reinforce the roster holes with proven players instead of "who needs a job?" guys, we should have a very good team around Griffin, Morris, Reed, etc.

Think how things would be different if we had Garcon AND Vincent Jackson...Eric Winston or Ryan Clady at Right Tackle, a secondary with guys like Brandon Carr instead of Brandon Meriweather, or Brent Grimes, Dawan Landry...these are the guys we lost a shot at and not just one of them, we could have signed all of them.

The impact that penalty had was MASSIVE and we didn't really realize how much it hurt us while we were cruising to the playoffs last season. Now, it's effects and the reality of it are setting in.
The problem with just replacing the coordinators is you almost have to extend Shanny in order to attract quality candidates and free agents. Nobody (of quality) is going to come to a team with a lame duck head coach and an owner with a history of an itchy trigger finger. We'd get people to fill the slots but will they be an improvement over what we already have?
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Old 11-19-2013, 11:28 AM   #773
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The problem with just replacing the coordinators is you almost have to extend Shanny in order to attract quality candidates and free agents. Nobody (of quality) is going to come to a team with a lame duck head coach and an owner with a history of an itchy trigger finger. We'd get people to fill the slots but will they be an improvement over what we already have?
That's another great point. What coordinators would come in for possibly just one season, knowing a new coaching regime would probably not retain them? It would be a huge gamble. You almost have to go ahead and extend Shanahan's contract now for that to be realistic.
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I agree with you. I'm all for giving Shanahan another year to prove he's the guy to turn things around, but it sounds like if the front office is not willing to give him an extension (and right now I do have to say there's more reason not to) then I doubt Mike would stay as a lame duck head coach. Then again, maybe he doesn't see it that way? In the end, I just want this team to win. I don't care who the head coach is, I just want this team winning on a regular basis. Playoffs, Super Bowls, etc...
The flip side is that he's said on many occasions that he told Snyder 'unless you're going to give me the full 5 years, don't hire me'. So if I'm Snyder I'm throwing that right back at him. I'll give you the full 5 years but nothing more until you prove to me you've earned another 3. Make him match the commitment...if that's the route they choose.
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I saw someone mention on Twitter that Coughlin won the SB in 2007 as a lame duck coach. So it's not really a deal breaker.
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This is true, so who knows what happens? Ultimately, I don't care who the coach is, I just want this team winning and playing championship football.
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I saw someone mention on Twitter that Coughlin won the SB in 2007 as a lame duck coach. So it's not really a deal breaker.
I think the difference there is that Coughlin hadn't yet won his superbowls. Shanny's predigree is very different than that of Coughlin's at the time.
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I think the difference there is that Coughlin hadn't yet won his superbowls. Shanny's predigree is very different than that of Coughlin's at the time.
Yeah but Coughlin was still a well established veteran coach even before the SB wins which only solidified his status.

My question is does Shanahan walk away from $7.5M and the challenge of getting this team on track? I have a feeling Snyder will be reluctant to fire him, so ultimately it will come down to what Shanahan wants to do. Come back and be a "lame duck" and earn an extension or walk away?
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I saw someone mention on Twitter that Coughlin won the SB in 2007 as a lame duck coach. So it's not really a deal breaker.
Not true though. He got a 1 year extension in January 2007
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Not true though. He got a 1 year extension in January 2007
As I'm understanding it he was given another year but only 2007 was guaranteed.
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