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Old 11-18-2013, 06:06 PM   #766
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I think the division is weak, you have talent at the QB spot, and an owner willing to max out the cap...also the best fans in the country. What other reason do you need?
All that. And more.

We're talented at QB, RB (x2), FB, LT, WR (need more), and TE on offense. On defense I think we're nearly complete along the front 7, with an improved scheme and defensive coach. I think we have two starting corners in Hall and Amerson. I think we have a bunch of marginal guys at safety, with the hope Rambo develops into a starter.

We need depth everywhere but QB, RB and TE though. There's work to be done.

And DC is an awesome market. One of my fav cities in America and obviously a great football tradition.

And our owner WILL spend his money to improve the team.

What we need is a much improved coaching staff and talent influx to leverage the next off-season.
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Old 11-18-2013, 06:28 PM   #767
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I agree. Listening to that press conference yesterday, he just seemed like he was done. Sad really, I was hoping he'd get a chance to turn it around. Evidently, he's just not the right person for the job. I'm glad he brought us to a point of respectability, but it's time for a divorce.
Your idea of respectability and my idea of respectability are two totally different things.
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Old 11-18-2013, 06:46 PM   #768
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Coach Red Beaulieu and his whole staff.
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I think knowing that this team has a franchise quarterback, that will make the head coaching position very attractive to any candidate.
In the interest of fairness is it really a set, for sure, done deal type thing that RG3 is TRULY a Franchise QB?

Of games i've watched, there are certainly days where he looks like that and more. But there are also lots of games where he is Jason Campbell-esque, maybe actually a little worse.

Wouldn't it be fairer to try and give RG3 another analysis after one more year and see if he regresses further next season?

He looked absolutely like garbage the entire eagles game until the 4th quarter, when the eagles fell asleep and our offense suddenly came alive.

Don't get me wrong. I like RG3 and I think he is a step in the right direction, but i remember people were saying the same stuff about Jason Campbell. We hung on WAYYY too long with Campbell after it became clear he wasn't the answer. I hope the same mistake is not made again, that could cost us valuable building years....
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I think knowing that this team has a franchise quarterback, that will make the head coaching position very attractive to any candidate.
Shit, if he spent a day on these forums, who wouldn't think we had one. lol Guy makes a few bad throws, and we want Cousins. LMAO
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Old 11-19-2013, 01:14 AM   #772
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Schefter to discuss RG's post game comments. Lmao what a piece of theatre. Every person who knows two bits about football has seen opposing defenses call Kyles plays before he does lol. I was saying this three years ago for fuck sakes.

The shanahans have no business being in pro football, period. Mike's message went stale nearly a decade ago and his goofy kid has no better football acumen than your typical football fan. Legacy crap like this is an embarrassment to the league IMO.
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Impressed with Ron Rivera being able to embrace the "Riverboat Ron" meme, and defining himself as a quality head coach in this league. Wasn't looking good for him a couple months ago. Not at all dissimilar to Coughlin in 2007.
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Schefter to discuss RG's post game comments. Lmao what a piece of theatre. Every person who knows two bits about football has seen opposing defenses call Kyles plays before he does lol. I was saying this three years ago for fuck sakes.

The shanahans have no business being in pro football, period. Mike's message went stale nearly a decade ago and his goofy kid has no better football acumen than your typical football fan. Legacy crap like this is an embarrassment to the league IMO.
Great post, agree 100%.
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When I think about the Skins' coaching merry-go-round I'm not sure what else is left because they have tried it all. They brought back a legend in Gibbs and that didnt work. They brought in a top college coach in Spurrier and that didnt work. They promoted a novice in Zorn and that didnt work. They hired bonafide coaches in Marty & Shanny and that didnt pan out either. Where can the organization go from here coaching wise?

I still think they should let Shanny finish his contract and then make a decision but if they do make a change they should hire a pro coach who knows the pro game.
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Yeah we see how that "disciplinarian" approach is working for Tampa Bay. lol. The entire building in TB hates the guy. That hardass shit doesn't work in today's NFL.
Seems to have worked just fine for the Patriots and Giants in modern football. But of course, you absolutely turn a blind eye toward what else I said - which is a coach that players respect and WANT to play for. Nice try but you failed again.

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Second, as I said before. All the crap about sleeping in the office is pure overrated BS. So you're saying if the new coach isn't willing to stay at the park until 3am you don't want him?? LOL. That statement is laughable and stupid. It doesn't even deserve a comeback. Glad you're not running the team.
Now look who's trying to put words in who's mouth? Again, I never said anything about sleeping in the office - you are the one who brought that up. I merely was saying that I want a coach who's willing to put in the time it takes to make this team successful - a perfectionist like Bill Walsh - someone who's going to take pride in being a Redskins head coach. If he can do all that by 8pm every night, great. But my point is, and obviously you cannot read context clues, is that I want a coach who is not going to put in minimal effort. I want maximum effort out of the coach. That is all I meant when I said a coach who's willing to put in long hours at Redskins Park - because it's going to take a heck of an effort to build this team into a constant winner.

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As for Ritchie...his entire staff on the defensive side of the ball was usually out of the Park by 7pm or 8pm. This was confirmed by a PR person that I knew that worked for the Redskins back in 92-94. During that time I was a bar manager ( in my mid 20's) and we had a show that booked Redskins every Monday during the season. Ray Brown was one of nicest guys you'd ever want to meet....so was Andre Collins. Gibbs and the guys on offense would stay til.."the wee hours" of the morning"...as you like to put it.
And this is where I'm calling you out on. Because in 1992, Richie was still the defensive coordinator - HE WAS NOT THE FREAKIN' HEAD COACH! I wouldn't expect Petitbon to put in the long hours that Gibbs did. GIBBS DID BECAUSE HE WAS THE HEAD COACH. What part of this do you not comprehend? And secondly, OK, 1993 - Richie Petitbon was head coach. Didn't put in the long hours? Look what the record was in 1993 - 4-12. Richie Petitbon was fired. In 1994, no more Gibbs and Richie Petitbon. So your example proves more of my point than it does yours.


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Both sides of the ball were successful during that time period. My point is...it doesn't take coaches sleeping at Redskins Park to win.
No it wasn't. 1992 was the year after the 'skins last Super Bowl run and they barely made it into the playoffs. 1993, the team was 4-12. 1994, Norv Turner was hired. You have not proved your point at all. Thanks for making it easy in proving mine.
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In the interest of fairness is it really a set, for sure, done deal type thing that RG3 is TRULY a Franchise QB?

Of games i've watched, there are certainly days where he looks like that and more. But there are also lots of games where he is Jason Campbell-esque, maybe actually a little worse.

Wouldn't it be fairer to try and give RG3 another analysis after one more year and see if he regresses further next season?

He looked absolutely like garbage the entire eagles game until the 4th quarter, when the eagles fell asleep and our offense suddenly came alive.

Don't get me wrong. I like RG3 and I think he is a step in the right direction, but i remember people were saying the same stuff about Jason Campbell. We hung on WAYYY too long with Campbell after it became clear he wasn't the answer. I hope the same mistake is not made again, that could cost us valuable building years....
For all in tense and purposes, RGIII is considered a franchise quarterback. It doesn't matter how this season as gone, RGIII taking his team to the playoffs and winning the NFC East division in his rookie year, on top of being ROY as well, is more than enough to have coaches excited about wanting to come to Washington and have RGIII. If it was Rex Grossman, then no, I think coaches would realize they have their work cut out for them.
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The fact that I'm now 65 years old definitely colors my viewpoint on the HC issue. I need to bear in mind that I could drop dead at any time - I know that because my life insurance premiums have gone through the roof.

With that in mind, there is no way that I can entertain the idea of an extension for Shanny. I suppose that I could reluctantly accept the idea that he might finish out his current contract, depending on how well the team plays from this point forward. But even that bothers me because I find it hard to give full credit for wins in games that are essentially meaningless for the Redskins.

At this point in my life, I don't have the time for an underperforming HC to squat on a $7M per year job for 5 years. My ideal contract for a HC would be short term (perhaps 2 years) with with incentives that, if certain goals are achieved, would trigger an automatic extension and a big raise. The trick would be to pay the HC very well to begin with and exceptionally well if he achieves his given targets. But things are so screwed up in the NFL, I assume that such a performance-based contract would be disallowed by the league.

By the way, if some coaches would not accept such a deal, then I would only interview those who would accept it.
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The comparisons to Jason Campbell are mind boggling to me.
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When I think about the Skins' coaching merry-go-round I'm not sure what else is left because they have tried it all. They brought back a legend in Gibbs and that didnt work. They brought in a top college coach in Spurrier and that didnt work. They promoted a novice in Zorn and that didnt work. They hired bonafide coaches in Marty & Shanny and that didnt pan out either. Where can the organization go from here coaching wise?

I still think they should let Shanny finish his contract and then make a decision but if they do make a change they should hire a pro coach who knows the pro game.
I know what you mean. Itís worth nothing though that Cerrato was likely a huge factor in undermining each of the coaches heís worked alongside, to the point the mess that was created when the current regime arrived is one of the few things everyone agrees Shanny has, for the most part addressed.

Itís why I honestly believe that if the foundations are stable, and they appear to be i.e. the locker room isnít poisonous, the owner has learned to refrain from meddling, we have a franchise QB and a handful of promising young players, then if itís all change again the transition should in theory be smoother and we ultimately get to where we want to be quicker and more progressively than in previous years.

As has been hinted at, Mike may not even want to finish up his contract if he feels next year is a must win situation. And if that is the case, then itís in the best interests of the team that heís allowed to walk at the end of the season as despondency at H/C level can breed a negative mentality. I havenít seen his post-game interview after the Eagles loss, but understand it suggested heís there already unfortunately and if true, then itís a shame all round but again, the best interests of the team are what matter.
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