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Old 10-14-2013, 09:10 PM   #106
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Name one team that turned around despite a $36 mil. cap penalty.
Totally agree with this point, we couldn't do crap this offseason to improve the team from last year. Last years team won the divison, but IMO we weren't a very good team. This team still needs a lot of pieces to compete for a SB, remember this team was a wreck before he got here. Yeah you can say it looks like the same results, but I look at the young talent we have compared to the previous regimes.
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Old 10-14-2013, 09:10 PM   #107
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Lets be realistic folks - he isnt the greatest coach in NFL history and he isnt the worst. He hasnt had a ton of success here or for a handful of years in Denver twards the end. He has done both good and bad here in four years imo, but he had a five year plan and I think the way Snyder has backed off since this regime took over speaks volumes about his job security for next year. If we get our cap money back, and have a completely healthy and more mature Griff at the helm next year we can be a solid team. If we shit the bed again next year I think Mike will walk away. If not than I think he rides a good thing.
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Lets be realistic folks - he isnt the greatest coach in NFL history and he isnt the worst. He hasnt had a ton of success here or for a handful of years in Denver twards the end. He has done both good and bad here in four years imo, but he had a five year plan and I think the way Snyder has backed off since this regime took over speaks volumes about his job security for next year. If we get our cap money back, and have a completely healthy and more mature Griff at the helm next year we can be a solid team. If we shit the bed again next year I think Mike will walk away. If not than I think he rides a good thing.
But what if RG3 is never what he used to be, and the fact that we completley abandoned the Zone Read that RG3 excelled at. They are trying to make him into something he may not be able to be.

Is it a situation like with Jason Campbell where you don't bench him no matter what, even if a healthy and maybe capable Kirk Cousins is rotting on the bench? Put cousins in when they are mathematically eliminated. If the team all of a sudden comes alive maybe you have found the problem and Shanahan has some hope for 2014...
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The team that was basically in the exact same situation we were in when Shanahan took over was Seattle. Years of mismanagement, lacking talent, knowing the QB of the future wasn't on the roster, and both franchises made an ill-advised trade of a day 2 draft pick (or at least what would now be day 2) that returned no stability at the QB position.

Seattle clearly did not need more than three years to completely change the position of their franchise in the NFL. They were down for two seasons.
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I think it was a Larry Michael int in the locker room. Robert said like....Paraphrasing heavily. "He's not playing well and he was going to do what it takes to return to his more productive form. Regardless of the people.....advising against the run, he would take what was there. If a run presented itself....He'd RUN"!
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Saw a rumor about Shaw from Stanford being on Snyder's radar.... not quite sure how accurate that is but interesting no doubt
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Seattle was always pretty good. Just never had a QB.. I realli like Wilson to
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Well I mean the Bucs went from 3-13 to 10-6 just 3 years ago. And look at Raheem and Josh Freeman now!!!
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I think Shanahan has through his fifth season, like many have said he has had to deal with sub par players the last two years at a lot of positions due to the cap hit. However, I would say a lot of contracts appear to be up in 2014 and 2015 so that would be perfect for change as a coach would like to bring in players that suits their style.
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Seattle was 4-12 and 5-11 the two seasons prior to Carroll and the front office changes. They actually had Hasslebeck starting at QB at the time and he was still a good starter, but that front office and Carroll brought in a lot of the young talent they have today.
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The Saints turned it around quickly once Payton and Brees came aboard.

But, at the risk of beating the horse further, they did not face a $36 mil. penalty.
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Seattle was 4-12 and 5-11 the two seasons prior to Carroll and the front office changes. They actually had Hasslebeck starting at QB at the time and he was still a good starter, but that front office and Carroll brought in a lot of the young talent they have today.
They had success before that though and young talent, also haven't not strapped by the cap with horrible contracts of the past like Shanny had. We haven't any success with building a team since Gibbs was here the 1st time, it's going to take a decade to completely recover.
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The team that was basically in the exact same situation we were in when Shanahan took over was Seattle. Years of mismanagement, lacking talent, knowing the QB of the future wasn't on the roster, and both franchises made an ill-advised trade of a day 2 draft pick (or at least what would now be day 2) that returned no stability at the QB position.

Seattle clearly did not need more than three years to completely change the position of their franchise in the NFL. They were down for two seasons.

Let's see. Did Pete Carroll inherit

1) Oldest team in the league-

Nope.


2) Team in cap hell due to outrageous contracts from previous regime.

Nope.

3) Team penalized 36 million in cap room.

Nope.

Don't even compare Pete Carroll's situation he stepped into with Shanahan. It's not even remotely close. The only team that even remotely compares would possibly be the Raiders. Only they have been as idiotic as we have with draft picks and stupid contracts. Not only that, the NFC West was garbage when Carroll came into the league, and even got into the playoffs with a 7-9 record. Do you think he would have anything close to that playing in the NFC East back then? Hell no.


What was the difference in Bill Bellicheks and Pete Carroll's situations from their first stint as head coaches to their second stint. Their situation. If you think these guys some some epiphany after they were fired that led to to become some sort of coaching genius than I have some ocean front property to sell you in Utah.
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For the record, I"m not excusing Mike for some of the crap that has gone on because some of it is most definitely coaching issues, and I've stated that before. I just don't like the fact some of you are trying to act like this was fixable in 2-3 years with the restrictions and handcuffs put on him.(restricted FA/Lockout/cap penalty)
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