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Old 10-28-2013, 06:38 PM   #271
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I agree with your final point for sure. I am not trying to exonerate Kyle's sometimes problematic play calling.

Let me offer the execution argument a different way: if RGIII had completed those passes and moved the chains, we likely would have followed passes with runs and thus run more. Just like we did on our drive to end the first half, where we mixed runs and passes. But one incomplete pass just creates another passing situation, etc. And the whole downward spiral can be traced back to the original lack of execution.
I appreciate your efforts here to reason, but the "playcalling iz lyfe" crowd is a particularly tough one to reason with. And beyond that, even though I think you're making good points, I think that its so hard to separate so many examples of bad coaching from the bad execution on the field. It's just not worth it.

For me, one of the indicators I look at for coaching efficiency is how long it takes a team to get in and out of a huddle. And I think when your offensive pace is as slow as the Redskins -- when you're wasting that much time getting up to the line -- it at least paints the illusion that you are always trying to find the perfect play, even though playcalling is not at all about finding the perfect play.

I do think the offense needs to get more expansive now...we've maxed out everything you can get out of the "Robert Griffin rookie playbook". And the more time spent trying to be last years offense, the less time will be left to be better than last years offense.

But how the Redskins are sequencing the plays they are using...couldn't care less for the amount of time fans invest in that and things like run pass balance.
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Old 10-28-2013, 06:42 PM   #272
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Little bit more difficult developing a QB than a TE. TE is one of the easiest positions to fill. Everyone seems to have a pass catching TE.
Agree, because there's more a quarterback needs to learn. But developing a football player isn't different in nature than developing an entry level employee or elementary school math student. They can only do things they are capable of and have been taught. And the ability to do that with Reed shows the Redskins do know how to develop some of the talent on their roster. They're not the 09-12 Jaguars. But their work with Griffin has not matched my expectations.
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Griffin isn't the first QB to have a sophomore slump. If he had the benefit of a full offseason of work vs rehab things might have been different too.
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Griffin isn't the first QB to have a sophomore slump. If he had the benefit of a full offseason of work vs rehab things might have been different too.
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He was also recruited as a quarterback by Florida. Made the transition to tight end and on top of that was surrounded by alot of weapons at Florida. So I think it was hard for him to really shine there having to share the ball with so many play makers.
And clearly what happened (in hindsight) is Florida didn't develop him. Kudos to the Redskins for seeing that (and maybe with some inside info courtesy Urban Meyer) and jumping at the opportunity to turn Reed into a young star in this league.

That's how you win in this league. If this is how they operated all the time, I would believe in this coaching staff.
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We need the rest of the WR corp to get it too.
You got that right!
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Griffin isn't the first QB to have a sophomore slump. If he had the benefit of a full offseason of work vs rehab things might have been different too.
Plus, we don't call it a sophomore slump when it happens to players who aren't good, i.e. Tannehill and Weeden. We only call it a sophomore slump if someone shows exceptional talent first.

Tannehill is having a worse season than RG3 is by almost any measure.
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Meriweather went there.

Brandon Meriweather unloads on Brandon Marshall - chicagotribune.com

Says that guys that beat their gfs should be kicked out of the NFL too. lol damn dude, you that butthurt?

Also says that since he can't hit high, that means he has to hit low and potentially take out player's ACLs. Says he'd hate to end a guy's career but that's better than him getting repeatedly suspended.

lmao damn, Meriweather thugged out, booooiiiii.
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I appreciate your efforts here to reason, but the "playcalling iz lyfe" crowd is a particularly tough one to reason with. And beyond that, even though I think you're making good points, I think that its so hard to separate so many examples of bad coaching from the bad execution on the field. It's just not worth it.

For me, one of the indicators I look at for coaching efficiency is how long it takes a team to get in and out of a huddle. And I think when your offensive pace is as slow as the Redskins -- when you're wasting that much time getting up to the line -- it at least paints the illusion that you are always trying to find the perfect play, even though playcalling is not at all about finding the perfect play.

I do think the offense needs to get more expansive now...we've maxed out everything you can get out of the "Robert Griffin rookie playbook". And the more time spent trying to be last years offense, the less time will be left to be better than last years offense.

But how the Redskins are sequencing the plays they are using...couldn't care less for the amount of time fans invest in that and things like run pass balance.
Not sure myself or anybody is excusing anybody for their lack of execution. Obviously this is not a black and white issue. Hence my both team and coaches pull their heads out of their asses remarks. I do think that unless you have Manning under center or a team full of studs that playcalling is much more important. We have a team full of young players and alot of, well nearly expired ones playing important positions. Griff leads the O. Fletch leads the D. Our secondary, d-backs, rb, tightend, a coupe of wr's are all young. Very young. So Yes - Kyle, Haz, and Mike have to nurture them in game. They are not ready to stand alone like Peyton.
Also I am not an x's and o's guy but i do understand that the passing game opens up the run game. That is football 101. I never said we should have run Almo 100 times last nite or on 2nd and 18 or 3rd and 9. Im pointing to a few specific plays when the game was close that were crucial ones where imo we were better served trying to run it down their throats like we had already done.
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Reporter: "What do you think about your team's execution?"

Coach McVay: "I'm in favor of it."
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Meriweather went there.

Brandon Meriweather unloads on Brandon Marshall - chicagotribune.com

Says that guys that beat their gfs should be kicked out of the NFL too. lol damn dude, you that butthurt?

Also says that since he can't hit high, that means he has to hit low and potentially take out player's ACLs. Says he'd hate to end a guy's career but that's better than him getting repeatedly suspended.

lmao damn, Meriweather thugged out, booooiiiii.
I think BW is a jerk, but Marshall probably should worry about himself.
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Not sure myself or anybody is excusing anybody for their lack of execution. Obviously this is not a black and white issue. Hence my both team and coaches pull their heads out of their asses remarks. I do think that unless you have Manning under center or a team full of studs that playcalling is much more important. We have a team full of young players and alot of, well nearly expired ones playing important positions. Griff leads the O. Fletch leads the D. Our secondary, d-backs, rb, tightend, a coupe of wr's are all young. Very young. So Yes - Kyle, Haz, and Mike have to nurture them in game. They are not ready to stand alone like Peyton.
Also I am not an x's and o's guy but i do understand that the passing game opens up the run game. That is football 101. I never said we should have run Almo 100 times last nite or on 2nd and 18 or 3rd and 9. Im pointing to a few specific plays when the game was close that were crucial ones where imo we were better served trying to run it down their throats like we had already done.
I also don't think you're one of the people consistently banging the playcalling drum after every loss, to be clear. It's a large group, but you know the type: every loss is the fault of 1) QB 2) offensive playcaller 3) defensive playcaller 4) Vinny Cerrato. You know the type.

So here's the deal: our coaching staff doesn't do a very good job. The New England coaching staff does a really good job. I'm guessing there's no measurable difference between the playcalling acumen of their team and our team. The standings on the other hand...
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I also don't think you're one of the people consistently banging the playcalling drum after every loss, to be clear. It's a large group, but you know the type: every loss is the fault of 1) QB 2) offensive playcaller 3) defensive playcaller 4) Vinny Cerrato. You know the type.

So here's the deal: our coaching staff doesn't do a very good job. The New England coaching staff does a really good job. I'm guessing there's no measurable difference between the playcalling acumen of their team and our team. The standings on the other hand...
They went 11-5 with matt cassell at qb. The coaches have to be doing something rite, necause matt cassell has done nada zip zilch elsewhere. That being said im not sure how they managed to make things work to the tune of 11-5 without catering (via -well- playcalling/gameplanning) to the hand they were dealt that year atleast a little more than alittle bit.
Listen like i said their is no black and white answer here and we just cannot compare apples to oranges. The ENTIRE team and coaching staff needs to figure things out. I think it may be time for one of Mikes motivational "elvaluation" speeches.
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Meriweather went there.

Brandon Meriweather unloads on Brandon Marshall - chicagotribune.com

Says that guys that beat their gfs should be kicked out of the NFL too. lol damn dude, you that butthurt?

Also says that since he can't hit high, that means he has to hit low and potentially take out player's ACLs. Says he'd hate to end a guy's career but that's better than him getting repeatedly suspended.

lmao damn, Meriweather thugged out, booooiiiii.
I.agree with him
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I.agree with him
I think there probably should be some sort of fining in place for off-field issues at the least, but Marshall has a documented history of mental illness and I think has that under control with medication. It's like not when Dez went off on his mother.

lol cheap shot by Meriweather but it is what it is.
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