Shawn Springs

hank64 · 02-25-2004, 06:27 PM

I read in this mornig's paper that the 'Skins were going go after Springs as Champ's replacement. Any thoughts on that? Also, someone on this site described Springs earlier as a head-case. Why?

Paintrain · 02-25-2004, 06:39 PM

Good skills, bad injury history, I've never heard of him being a behavior problem though.

Gmanc711 · 02-25-2004, 06:51 PM

Good Skills, I still think we should take a legitamte look at A.Winfeild as well. He dosent make any extrodary plays or anything, but his tackling is cant miss, and hes always in positoin.

SmootSmack · 02-25-2004, 06:52 PM

Springs has a lot of talent, but I sometimes question his toughness. Put it this way, Champ played through a lot of injuries, broken wrist, sprained ankle, etc. I don't think Springs would do the same

Gmanc711 · 02-25-2004, 06:53 PM

Good point, Smootsmack. Last year both our corners showed how tough they were, but were not gonna get anyone equal to Bailey in skills or toughness. The only guy I think that is possible for us to get that can match bailey, is McCalister, but theres no way we have the room for him, espacially as a RFA. So I'm saying Springs or Winfeild.

Daseal · 02-25-2004, 07:20 PM

I like Winfield, seeing as he already knows Williams and he's a modest corner. He gets my vote!

beg8878 · 02-25-2004, 07:46 PM

Apparently Springs is a local kid from Maryland, I guess that is why the speculation is on him. I wouldn't mind pairing him with smoot, then drafting Taylor and signing Kearse....I am not sure if the salary cap would mind though? but if we get all those peices...watch out

johnnyredskin63 · 02-25-2004, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Daseal

I like Winfield, seeing as he already knows Williams and he's a modest corner. He gets my vote!

i agree,why not bring in somebody who knows the system you are teaching?winfield gets my vote hands down.he probably wo'nt carry the price tags the others would either.

BrunellFan · 02-25-2004, 08:02 PM

Springs was a beast at corner in his prime, but he's gotten older... I dont mind getting him as long as we dont pay him alot. Hes a 2-3 year solution.

sportscurmudgeon · 02-25-2004, 09:01 PM

McAlister and Woodsen are franchised by their teams. Bailey looks like he is "spoken for". So the top "free" CBs on the market at the moment are Springs, Winfield and Vincent.

Since the supply just got smaller and the demand is about the same, the price for those three just went up. Even Congress can't repeal the law of supply and demand. Oh, and trust me; the agents for these players are VERY aware of the law of supply and demand...

Springs turned down a Seattle offer in training camp last year. I don't remember the entire deal but the signing bonus was $13 - 14M. He turned that down. Sound familiar...???

itvnetop · 02-25-2004, 09:22 PM

Winfield is a no-brainer... as mentioned above, he already knows the system. He's going to be a serviceable replacement for Bailey (although not near his equal) plus he's gonna cost way less.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 02-25-2004, 09:28 PM

Springs is a very good CB when healthy. Though he has a history of injuries, I think he'd be a good fit. Winfield is supposedly asking any team that wants him to break the bank. Spring is 28 but that's not too old for a corner. I think he'd be cheaper than Winfield and better, if he stays healthy. I think the team doctors should take a long hard look but if he looks okay, sign him.

SmootSmack · 02-26-2004, 12:37 AM

I don't know, I'm just not crazy about Winfield. I know he plays bigger than his size but I feel like that's going to catch up to him. I guess though if you you strengthen your d-line the need to a top of the line cover corner on both sides of the field isn't as big a deal. As for Winfield knowing the system, so what? Let's just run off some of the names that knew the Spurrier system...Wuerffel, Matthews, Reidel Anthony, Jacquez Green

Also, maybe someone can answer this question for me. Gregg Williams is the Assistant Head Coach-Defense while Greg Blache is the defensive coordinator. So I'm just wondering what do these different responsibilities mean exactly and whose system will be impleneted, Blache's or Williams'?

JWsleep · 02-26-2004, 01:21 AM

I think it's all Williams stuff. The assistant head-coach/d-coordinator thing is to mess with the NFL rules about who can talk to and sign your coaches. I remember reading that when the coaches were announced.

Both those corners would be nice.

itvnetop · 02-26-2004, 01:24 AM

i think the difference with winfield and those god foresaken gators is that antoine has proven it on the field against professionals (where those other guys only succeeded in spurrier's system at Florida). The gators were very marginal once they got to the L, unlike winfield.

well, i hope we get someone- be it winfield or springs

02-25-2004, 06:27 PM	#1 (permalink)
hank64 Camp Scrub Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Centreville, VA Posts: 63	Shawn Springs I read in this mornig's paper that the 'Skins were going go after Springs as Champ's replacement. Any thoughts on that? Also, someone on this site described Springs earlier as a head-case. Why?

02-25-2004, 06:51 PM	#3 (permalink)
Gmanc711 Thank You, Sean. Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Rochester,NY Posts: 6,203	Good Skills, I still think we should take a legitamte look at A.Winfeild as well. He dosent make any extrodary plays or anything, but his tackling is cant miss, and hes always in positoin. __________________ #21 I bleed Yellow, Maroon, and Black....too funny....

02-25-2004, 06:53 PM	#5 (permalink)
Gmanc711 Thank You, Sean. Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Rochester,NY Posts: 6,203	Good point, Smootsmack. Last year both our corners showed how tough they were, but were not gonna get anyone equal to Bailey in skills or toughness. The only guy I think that is possible for us to get that can match bailey, is McCalister, but theres no way we have the room for him, espacially as a RFA. So I'm saying Springs or Winfeild. __________________ #21 I bleed Yellow, Maroon, and Black....too funny....

02-25-2004, 09:01 PM	#10 (permalink)
sportscurmudgeon The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 1,663	McAlister and Woodsen are franchised by their teams. Bailey looks like he is "spoken for". So the top "free" CBs on the market at the moment are Springs, Winfield and Vincent. Since the supply just got smaller and the demand is about the same, the price for those three just went up. Even Congress can't repeal the law of supply and demand. Oh, and trust me; the agents for these players are VERY aware of the law of supply and demand... Springs turned down a Seattle offer in training camp last year. I don't remember the entire deal but the signing bonus was $13 - 14M. He turned that down. Sound familiar...??? __________________ The Sports Curmudgeon www.sportscurmudgeon.com But don't get me wrong, I love sports...

02-26-2004, 01:21 AM	#14 (permalink)
JWsleep Propane and propane accessories Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 4,109	I think it's all Williams stuff. The assistant head-coach/d-coordinator thing is to mess with the NFL rules about who can talk to and sign your coaches. I remember reading that when the coaches were announced. Both those corners would be nice. __________________ Hail from Houston!

02-25-2004, 06:39 PM	#2 (permalink)
Paintrain The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL Posts: 1,839	Good skills, bad injury history, I've never heard of him being a behavior problem though.

02-25-2004, 06:52 PM	#4 (permalink)
SmootSmack Patience=Virtue Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 21,437	Springs has a lot of talent, but I sometimes question his toughness. Put it this way, Champ played through a lot of injuries, broken wrist, sprained ankle, etc. I don't think Springs would do the same

02-25-2004, 07:20 PM	#6 (permalink)
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Fairfax, Virginia Posts: 6,670	I like Winfield, seeing as he already knows Williams and he's a modest corner. He gets my vote!

02-25-2004, 07:46 PM	#7 (permalink)
beg8878 Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: New Jersey Posts: 270	Apparently Springs is a local kid from Maryland, I guess that is why the speculation is on him. I wouldn't mind pairing him with smoot, then drafting Taylor and signing Kearse....I am not sure if the salary cap would mind though? but if we get all those peices...watch out

02-25-2004, 08:02 PM	#9 (permalink)
BrunellFan Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 334	Springs was a beast at corner in his prime, but he's gotten older... I dont mind getting him as long as we dont pay him alot. Hes a 2-3 year solution.

02-25-2004, 09:22 PM	#11 (permalink)
itvnetop The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 1,577	Winfield is a no-brainer... as mentioned above, he already knows the system. He's going to be a serviceable replacement for Bailey (although not near his equal) plus he's gonna cost way less.

02-25-2004, 09:28 PM	#12 (permalink)
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Super Moderator Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 7,958	Springs is a very good CB when healthy. Though he has a history of injuries, I think he'd be a good fit. Winfield is supposedly asking any team that wants him to break the bank. Spring is 28 but that's not too old for a corner. I think he'd be cheaper than Winfield and better, if he stays healthy. I think the team doctors should take a long hard look but if he looks okay, sign him.

02-26-2004, 12:37 AM	#13 (permalink)
SmootSmack Patience=Virtue Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 21,437	I don't know, I'm just not crazy about Winfield. I know he plays bigger than his size but I feel like that's going to catch up to him. I guess though if you you strengthen your d-line the need to a top of the line cover corner on both sides of the field isn't as big a deal. As for Winfield knowing the system, so what? Let's just run off some of the names that knew the Spurrier system...Wuerffel, Matthews, Reidel Anthony, Jacquez Green Also, maybe someone can answer this question for me. Gregg Williams is the Assistant Head Coach-Defense while Greg Blache is the defensive coordinator. So I'm just wondering what do these different responsibilities mean exactly and whose system will be impleneted, Blache's or Williams'?

02-26-2004, 01:24 AM	#15 (permalink)
itvnetop The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 1,577	i think the difference with winfield and those god foresaken gators is that antoine has proven it on the field against professionals (where those other guys only succeeded in spurrier's system at Florida). The gators were very marginal once they got to the L, unlike winfield. well, i hope we get someone- be it winfield or springs

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