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Old 11-08-2013, 04:06 PM   #226
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I was talking about losing Zo hurting us on teams, not on D.

The D has it's own problems.
I was thinking about him in both roles -- he was better in coverage that Fletcher. Of course, he's on IR this year (feel for the guy), so that could have happened here too.
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Old 11-08-2013, 04:15 PM   #227
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You know you've got huge special teams problems, when you have to debate whether losing one player caused an entire ST collapse.

Yikes.
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Old 11-08-2013, 04:18 PM   #228
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You know you've got huge special teams problems, when you have to debate whether losing one player caused an entire ST collapse.

Yikes.
We have more than just ST problems that's for sure
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Old 11-08-2013, 04:25 PM   #229
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I don't see it that way -- important contributors from the draft (or undrafted free agents) include: RGIII, Morris, Amerson, Kerrigan, Orakpo, Reed, Doughty, Montgomery, Williams, Forbath, Golston, Hankerson, Robinson, and probably a bunch of other guys that don't immediately come to mind. And a number of our relatively recent FA signings have been good: D. Hall, Cofield, Garcon, Chester. But our current roster is nothing like the FA hot mess that was the 2000 team. But I wouldn't say our team was built on free agency, and we have recent signings that show that you don't need a lot of money to get value if you're smart. There will be busts from time to time -- true of the draft and true of FAs -- and we have them as all teams do. But with the $36MM in the last two years, had wwe acquired some O line and D line help, or LB help -- even just one impact player in each area -- I imagine that we'd be noticeably better off.
I never said there weren't contributors that were drafted by the Skins. Hell to me the best players on the Skins were all drafted by the Skins outside of one and that being DHall this year.

I am saying the majority of starters on the Skins are free agents. That is a problem in my opinion. I do not believe you can win in this league with free agents making up the majority of your starters. Which is why I do not see the cap penalty as an excuse for this team not to perform well.

The great teams in this league like the Patriots, Broncos, and Saints drafted the majority of their starters. Two of the most talented teams, the Bengals and Seahawks, also drafted the majority of their players. They use free agency sparingly and only to fill holes, not to build teams like the Skins have been doing and still are doing based on the roster makeup. I just see an example of how to build a contender and I am not seeing the Redskins replicating that example.

And obviously I have gotten off track since I am now referencing something that happened a couple of years ago.
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Old 11-08-2013, 04:31 PM   #230
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Old 11-08-2013, 04:36 PM   #231
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At 24 - 14 at the half all the offense needed to do was match FG for whatever the Vikings scored and we'd have won. I blame everyone, Offense, D and ST.

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Old 11-08-2013, 06:47 PM   #232
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I don't see it that way -- important contributors from the draft (or undrafted free agents) include: RGIII, Morris, Amerson, Kerrigan, Orakpo, Reed, Doughty, Montgomery, Williams, Forbath, Golston, Hankerson, Robinson, and probably a bunch of other guys that don't immediately come to mind. And a number of our relatively recent FA signings have been good: D. Hall, Cofield, Garcon, Chester. But our current roster is nothing like the FA hot mess that was the 2000 team. But I wouldn't say our team was built on free agency, and we have recent signings that show that you don't need a lot of money to get value if you're smart. There will be busts from time to time -- true of the draft and true of FAs -- and we have them as all teams do. But with the $36MM in the last two years, had wwe acquired some O line and D line help, or LB help -- even just one impact player in each area -- I imagine that we'd be noticeably better off.
What about Morgan and Wilson?
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Old 11-08-2013, 06:52 PM   #233
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I never said there weren't contributors that were drafted by the Skins. Hell to me the best players on the Skins were all drafted by the Skins outside of one and that being DHall this year.

I am saying the majority of starters on the Skins are free agents. That is a problem in my opinion. I do not believe you can win in this league with free agents making up the majority of your starters. Which is why I do not see the cap penalty as an excuse for this team not to perform well.

The great teams in this league like the Patriots, Broncos, and Saints drafted the majority of their starters. Two of the most talented teams, the Bengals and Seahawks, also drafted the majority of their players. They use free agency sparingly and only to fill holes, not to build teams like the Skins have been doing and still are doing based on the roster makeup. I just see an example of how to build a contender and I am not seeing the Redskins replicating that example.

And obviously I have gotten off track since I am now referencing something that happened a couple of years ago.
It's actually 50/50 right now

Offense 5 of 11 starters drafted:
Griffin - draft
Morris - draft
Garcon - FA
Hankerson - draft
Moss - FA
Reed - draft
OL - all FA except Williams

Defense 6 of 11 drafted:
Jenkins - draft
Cofield - FA
Bowen - FA
Fletcher - FA
Riley - draft
Orakpo - draft
Kerrigan - draft
Hall - FA
Amerson - draft
Doughty - draft
Meriweather - FA
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Old 11-08-2013, 06:54 PM   #234
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I don't think it can be written off as a non-factor.

Take away $36M from any team and there's going to be ramifications.

No free agents could have helped this year? I really find that hard to believe.
especially special teams . . . the depth players are not making very much as we couldn't afford those guys . . .
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Old 11-08-2013, 06:59 PM   #235
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Why the F has Thompson been playing if he was injured? Maybe doing kickoffs with an injury doesn't really bode well for errrrrr, ya know, positive production?!

Oh well. See ya later, scrub.

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Old 11-08-2013, 07:06 PM   #236
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Patriots depth chart for shits and giggles

Offense 7 of 11 drafted
Brady - draft
Ridley - draft
Amendola - FA
Edelman - FA
Dobson - draft
Gronk - draft
OL - 3 of 5 drafted

Defense 5 of 11 drafted
Ninkovich - FA
Vellano - FA
Chris Jones - FA
Chandler Jones - draft
Collins - draft
Spikes - draft
Hightower - draft
Talib - FA
Dennard - draft
Gregory - FA
McCourty - draft
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Old 11-08-2013, 07:14 PM   #237
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It's actually 50/50 right now

Offense 5 of 11 starters drafted:
Griffin - draft
Morris - draft
Garcon - FA
Hankerson - draft
Moss - FA
Reed - draft
OL - all FA except Williams

Defense 6 of 11 drafted:
Jenkins - draft
Cofield - FA
Bowen - FA
Fletcher - FA
Riley - draft
Orakpo - draft
Kerrigan - draft
Hall - FA
Amerson - draft
Doughty - draft
Meriweather - FA
The problem with the FAs isn't the quantity, but the relative lack of productivity. Particularly on the OL and in the secondary.
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Old 11-08-2013, 07:45 PM   #238
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Kind of off topic but what did people think about the refs? I swear I can not understand why the NFL keeps Ed Hochuli employed. All the missed holds and the roughing call on Baker was simply atrocious. That looked like replacement refs last night and everything seemed to go against us. I'm starting to think the NFL has it out to F us over.
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Old 11-08-2013, 08:06 PM   #239
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Rak doesn't get held as much as we think, he just throws his arms up trying to.get calls. Every ref wouldn't miss the same calls.weekly
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Old 11-08-2013, 08:08 PM   #240
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Patriots depth chart for shits and giggles

Offense 7 of 11 drafted
Brady - draft
Ridley - draft
Amendola - FA
Edelman - FA
Dobson - draft
Gronk - draft
OL - 3 of 5 drafted

Defense 5 of 11 drafted
Ninkovich - FA
Vellano - FA
Chris Jones - FA
Chandler Jones - draft
Collins - draft
Spikes - draft
Hightower - draft
Talib - FA
Dennard - draft
Gregory - FA
McCourty - draft
Where are you getting your depth charts? I was on ESPN earlier and it looked different than this. Not saying you are wrong just curious. Also I am talking about 1st string players not who they have to start due to injury. I said earlier you use free agents to fill holes. The Pats situation right now with all their injuries is a perfect example of that.

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