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Old 11-23-2013, 12:07 PM   #196
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Re: Do You Unequivocally Believe RG3 Is Our Franchise QB?

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Not many QBs can play at a high level under constant pressure from rushing defenders, as RG's faced.

RG deserves a legit oline and at least another weapon downfield before we start doubting his future.
I would even say when the o-line is rolling like in the PA Griffin shows much better than avergae skills. To put it simply this o-line is not designed for pocket protection so much as mobility. If this was Kyle's intention for the second season to start a transition to a more traditional offense, then the o-line clearly needs to be addressed this offseason.
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Old 11-23-2013, 04:43 PM   #197
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With the caveat that Griffin left some plays on the field -- None more painful than the painful fourth down conversion -- I thought Griffin was pretty good at Philly. I liked his decisiveness and quick decision making, and thought his knee looked really explosive for the first time since last season. The extra gear was there.

He showed an agressiveness and an ability to extend plays and give receivers a chance to make the plays to bring the Redskins back down 24 in the fourth quarter.

He's still a mechanical mess, but part of the problem is there is no sense of timing with him and his receivers, particularly once Hankerson and Reed were out. He double clutches a lot part because he's working with subpar teammates and part because he simply hasn't repped the passing plays enough to understand where the holes in the coverage will be.


Griffin has the skill necessary to create space to throw the ball, but the problem is that his internal clock is a bit fast at times (sometimes slow at others) and he is not always creating space to throw. Sometimes he is just speeding up his motion (try's to set his feet and throw at the same time) to get the ball out, and that's when he drops his elbow and the ball sails on him.

He's better from the muddied pocket than he was at this time last year, but the mechanical flaws he showed last season are still not fixed (which the coaches share blame for), and he's picked up a few bad habits (which is as much about the lacking talent around him as anything).

It may take multiple years to get Griffin to a point where he's not leaving plays on the field. I don't think he's close to resolving that. But as far as the big plays that powered last years offense returning...I think we're close to seeing that.
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Old 11-23-2013, 06:43 PM   #198
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Not many QBs can play at a high level under constant pressure from rushing defenders, as RG's faced.

RG deserves a legit oline and at least another weapon downfield before we start doubting his future.
Isn't this the same line as last year? Can't use that. Either RG3 wasn't ready to come back and shouldn't have or Kyle Shanahan is not calling the correct plays or RG3 is to blame. Or maybe a little bit of all 3 of those.The pick of which one is debatable I suppose.
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Old 11-23-2013, 07:24 PM   #199
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RG is our guy. if theres any inhouse haters tough luck. Hes ELITE.. yea i said it. Give him a defense and oneeeee more weapon...
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Old 11-23-2013, 07:38 PM   #200
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Re: Do You Unequivocally Believe RG3 Is Our Franchise QB?

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Not many QBs can play at a high level under constant pressure from rushing defenders, as RG's faced.

RG deserves a legit oline and at least another weapon downfield before we start doubting his future.
He's had wr's open, he's just not pulling the trigger. Or when he does he's not accurate. He's had two guys who watch more film ( Jaws and Cosell) than anyone around basically call him out. Even Sonny said he should be benched. Some of it is the line and some of it is Kyle's stupid ass two man routes, but there's been many instances where RG3 just hasn't done the job. Then he throws the worst pass he's ever thrown and blames it on the wr's not being open. Time to man up on Mon RG3. No more excuses.
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Old 11-23-2013, 10:58 PM   #201
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“You don’t say anything to the guys when it comes to that [leadership],” Griffin said. “The second you start changing and letting what outside people say affect what you do is the time that guys start to not believe in you. So you don’t do that. You go out to practice every day ready to work. Me and [Moss] talked. We’re on the same page and we just want to beat San Francisco. That’s all that matters to us right now.”

Love the kid....and yeah, he's the real deal
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Old 11-24-2013, 10:58 AM   #202
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He's had wr's open, he's just not pulling the trigger. Or when he does he's not accurate. He's had two guys who watch more film ( Jaws and Cosell) than anyone around basically call him out. Even Sonny said he should be benched. Some of it is the line and some of it is Kyle's stupid ass two man routes, but there's been many instances where RG3 just hasn't done the job. Then he throws the worst pass he's ever thrown and blames it on the wr's not being open. Time to man up on Mon RG3. No more excuses.
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Old 11-25-2013, 06:31 PM   #203
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Re: Do You Unequivocally Believe RG3 Is Our Franchise QB?

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He's had wr's open, he's just not pulling the trigger. Or when he does he's not accurate. He's had two guys who watch more film ( Jaws and Cosell) than anyone around basically call him out. Even Sonny said he should be benched. Some of it is the line and some of it is Kyle's stupid ass two man routes, but there's been many instances where RG3 just hasn't done the job. Then he throws the worst pass he's ever thrown and blames it on the wr's not being open. Time to man up on Mon RG3. No more excuses.
In Kyle's defense, RGIII commonly does not get past his first read, making additional receivers in the pattern pointless. Why have a third option if the QB will never see him?
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Old 11-25-2013, 06:49 PM   #204
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In Kyle's defense, RGIII commonly does not get past his first read, making additional receivers in the pattern pointless. Why have a third option if the QB will never see him?
Seriously, because all a young QB needs is more reads, right? Let's just bombard him with options since he hasn't even mastered QB reads 101 yet. Makes sense.
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Old 11-25-2013, 08:44 PM   #205
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The third year will tell the story. If he continues to struggle next year, we will have wasted 2 first round picks for a bust!! Knowing our luck, we are screwed!!


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Old 11-25-2013, 09:12 PM   #206
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Re: Do You Unequivocally Believe RG3 Is Our Franchise QB?

I think it is sort of too early to call Griffin a bust....I think what we are seeing around the league is that QB's like RG3, Kaepernick, appear to be a one year wonder. Kaepernick is struggling this year. They all deserve to have another year..

But if RG3 gets worse next year - i wouldn't call him a bust. He could be just an average QB, that could do well if we build an entire team....
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Old 11-25-2013, 09:34 PM   #207
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Too early to call the reigning rookie of the year a bust eh?
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Old 11-25-2013, 11:52 PM   #208
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No he is not, and I have said this in other threads. By the time you build a decent offensive line and give the guy some actual decent receivers, he is going to bolt period. Odds are that he is going to ask for more money and I am not sure we should give it to him. This is the team sport of team sports and RG III is useless if the guys around him are total puds. Also let's face another possibility, just like Spurrier destroyed Ramsey, maybe Shanny might have destroyed RG III. The next HC might say away with you and go with Cousins or draft his own guy. If Robert can bounce back like Cam did after his sophomore slump then this is all moot, but if the team continues to stink, he needs to be cut loose.
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Old 11-26-2013, 12:23 AM   #209
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I would trade him for a pair of second round picks and feel I got a bargain
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Old 11-26-2013, 12:38 AM   #210
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I would take back the trade rite now if given the chance. Maybe Griff will still be great, and worth the picks. But if given the opportunity rite now id take back the trade. I dont blame Shanny for it though either way. I was 100 percent for it at the time.
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