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Old 12-02-2013, 10:42 AM   #106
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I'm not saying over pay, but he should get paid top 10-15 money at his position.

Brian Orakpo is diversifying and improving his game

I'm still indifferent to Orakpo. I just dont' want us to put a bunch of money into him and it ends up not being worth it. I'm fine if we sign him, and I'm fine if we allow him to walk.
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Old 12-02-2013, 10:44 AM   #107
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So he beat out a shitty LT. Also, didn't some of the teams the past few weeks sport backups LTs?


I'm for signing him, but it would have to be a average salary. (much like his play)
I agree. Rak has not played great. He's been hurt 2/3 years and this year has played okay. If he wants a reasonable salary, sure. If not, I'm okay with the Rob Jackson era starting for the millions in cap space we'll save.
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Old 12-02-2013, 10:46 AM   #108
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If we were desperate with no cash to spend like 2012 and 2013, sure, take a chance on Martin but I don't want him when we can actually afford an option that doesn't have a history of being a quitter. Same goes for drug addicts, drunk drivers, rapists and those facing a big ban for multiple PED offenses.

So we bring in Jonathan Martin and D-Hall gets on his case to step up his game and give the D a chance to catch their breath...what does he do?

I keep hearing names like Britt, Talib, even Fing Incognito on here.

No. We can actually afford to improve this team. We need to clean house of guys who don't care like Fred Davis, guys who can't stay pit of trouble like Meriweather and guys who can't play like Polumbus.

Really for the first time in the Shanahan era, we can actually make some positive improvements. No more Vinny ciontracts on the books, no more Vinny cap penalty. We're missing draft picks but that doesn't concern me, we've watch them turn nothiing into a lot on draft days and they can do it again.
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Old 12-02-2013, 10:48 AM   #109
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Well, after last night, anybody who pins this on RGIII is a moron. After last night, I don't ever want to hear anything else out of Pierre Garcon and especially Santana Moss about Robert Griffin III. How much leadership did Moss show last night getting an unsportsmanlike conduct foul? How much leadership did Garcon show dropping passes and fumbling that last pass into the hands of the DB? Or kicking the ball in the stands? Griffin did what he could to make plays. How can he make plays when Chester and Polumbus consistently refuses to block? How do you let someone like Justin Tuck have a free shot to the quarterback? Tuck had 2 1/2 sacks all year before last night. He had 4 sacks in last night's game alone. Don't talk to me about Griffin's inability to read defenses and refusal to go through his progressions. Take a few snaps behind THAT offensive line and tell me how well you're able to go through your reads.

Secondly, I keep hearing people say that Jordan Reed is glass. You know, Art Monk had some injury issues early on in his career. Wound up having a hall of fame career. Reed is going to be something special in this league. He got a freakin' concussion. It's not like he stayed out of the game because his pinky hurts. You deal away Reed and you're no better than Vinny Cerrato. In fact, you're worse. So shut up about Jordan Reed. Seeing Fred Davis consistently drop easy catches should show you why he was deactivated several weeks ago. Davis is trash. Plain and simple. He needs to go, along with Chris Chester and especially Tyler Polumbus. Santana Moss is still capable of making plays, but for every good play he makes, he cancels it out with stupid mistakes or drops. So, sorry Moss, I loved ya a few years ago, but you need to go as well. And Aldrick Robinson. So much speed and elusiveness, but all for nothing if you can't catch the freakin' football.

And finally, the #1 rushing attack in the league, and where did Alfred Morris go in the second half? This has been a constant gripe of mine all season long. Alfred Morris is a play maker. And you go away from him in the second half? WTF Kyle Shanahan? Yes, maybe Roy Helu is faster and more appropriate for the no huddle offense, but in the end, Morris is one of the best rushers in the league. YOU HAVE TO PUT YOUR BEST PLAYERS ON THE FIELD! It's not like the 'skins were ever behind by a lot of points. Kyle Shanahan has done this so many times during the season. Morris catches steam the longer the game goes on. Kind of like how John Riggins was back in the glory days. You wear the defense down with a heavy dose of Alfred Morris - THAT is when you crank up the passing. Kyle Shanahan always seems to go away too early from the running game. I just don't understand that all.

I figure most of us are probably in agreement with the defense. The secondary is trash. That's nothing new. It needs to be badly upgraded. I know there was some hate being thrown toward Orakpo this year, but I think it's a mistake to cut him loose. I think you need to keep him around. Adding some depth to that defensive line will improve that front play - and we'll see more of what we expect from Rak and Kerrigan. I don't like Jim Haslett as well and will be very disappointed if he is retained after this season, but I do wonder if Haslett is given an improved secondary and depth on that defensive line, if he would fair better? I fear, though, there are so many issues with that defense that one off season is not going to fix that.

And I don't even want to talk about special teams. They're horrible. 'nuff said.

I just want this freakin' season to hurry up and end. It's a nightmare to say the least.

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Old 12-02-2013, 10:54 AM   #110
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Do you know the whole story of what happened? The results of the investigation will be out soon, let's wait and see what comes out before saying he's a quitter.
The dude lost his job to one of the biggest, partying fools in the NFL over the last 10 years. The Dolphins were forced to trade for a dude who had hosted a party where strippers knocked out the guess with big bottles of champaign. The Dolphins said Martin is so terrible, we need Bryan McKinnie now. We know that for a fact.
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I'm still indifferent to Orakpo. I just dont' want us to put a bunch of money into him and it ends up not being worth it. I'm fine if we sign him, and I'm fine if we allow him to walk.
Not sure I'm ok with letting one of the few legit starters on D walk. We have enough holes as it is.
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The dude lost his job to one of the biggest, partying fools in the NFL over the last 10 years. The Dolphins were forced to trade for a dude who had hosted a party where strippers knocked out the guess with big bottles of champaign. The Dolphins said Martin is so terrible, we need Bryan McKinnie now. We know that for a fact.

Yeah I agree I don't want a quitter that was on the stanford sideline laughing it up while he was on "leave" for bullying, lmao u r a grown ass HUGE man grow some balls
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Old 12-02-2013, 11:01 AM   #113
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We could've really used Jordan Reed last night.

RG3 is a one man team out there. Outside of Alfmo, I feel like he really doesn't trust any of his receivers, hence why even if he has wide open receivers he'd rather just run with the ball.

So far RG3 has thrown, run and even threw a shitty block. Next thing we'll have him trying to catch the ball.
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I agree. Rak has not played great. He's been hurt 2/3 years and this year has played okay. If he wants a reasonable salary, sure. If not, I'm okay with the Rob Jackson era starting for the millions in cap space we'll save.
Let's set this straight, he missed 14 games last year, other than that he's been a rock in the lineup only missing one other start.

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We could've really used Jordan Reed last night.

RG3 is a one man team out there. Outside of Alfmo, I feel like he really doesn't trust any of his receivers, hence why even if he has wide open receivers he'd rather just run with the ball.

So far RG3 has thrown, run and even threw a shitty block. Next thing we'll have him trying to catch the ball.

Dude is fragile
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A concussion makes you fragile?
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Dude is fragile
He does seem to roll around a lot but I guess a concussion is a concussion. Doughty had his second one of the year last night. So we'll probably see more Meriweather-Rambo out there.

(Read as: a lot more missed tackles)
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A concussion makes you fragile?

He's always limping around Matt, cmon we say it every game, I like the guy and hope he's a great player but he's got to stay on the field.
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Game plan was to stop Alfmo. They did to an extent, but got an assist second half with Shanny/Kyle.
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Not sure I'm ok with letting one of the few legit starters on D walk. We have enough holes as it is.
I'm just beside myself that people are even entertaining this idea of getting rid of Brian Orkapo. I mean, really? Let's get rid of one of the better players on that defense, because he hasn't reached Charles Mann status yet. Rak is a young gun. Yes, he's not a Pro Bowler this year, but he's one of the better (as you said Matt, legit) starters on that defense. There are so many other pressing needs on that defense - needs that probably won't be able to be fully addressed in one off-season, so the wise thing to do is to go ahead and dig an even deeper hole with the defense by getting rid of Brian Orkapo. LOL! Wow.
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