Choose Your 2014 Redskins Head Coach (Volume 2)

GusFrerotte · 12-12-2013, 08:40 PM

Who cares, the team is going to still suck!!!!!! The present roster is medicore, and will take 3 seasons to remedy that, and that is if the front office has a solid plan that it can actually get done in terms of getting the pieces in place. The other big issue is that this whole debacle proves and what the Marty debacle proved is that you can't have a strong willed coach work with Snyder or Danny boy will undermine him or just fire his ass. Danny helped create the monster diva in RG III, and any new coach is going to have to kiss RG IIIs ass. Do you think Bill Cowher would want to be a part of this organization knowing full well of how it is run? I don't want a college coach, just because he coached our diva in a college system in a conference that is known for absolutely NO DEFENSE. Besides we had that experiment with Spurrier and Danny "Awful", another Heisman winner. Personally, I do like John Gruden, but I don't think he would want to work for Snyder unless The Danny put up a ton of cash, and even then I think he will pass. He is making tons of $$$$$$$$$ just BSing about football and making commericals. Why put yourself in the middle of a firestorm? I am thinking we will have another Zorn type, a young assistant that will go for it, just to at least have on his resume he was a HC, but I think the smarter ones will not bite. Zorn will never ever be a HC in the NFL ever again because of the disaster he had in DC. The smarter ones will bide their time and go to a team they can win with and have a decent career. I just don't see this farce getting any better. I still think Jerry Jones and Snyder are geniuses and are just laughing at us little people for actually caring about this shit.

GusFrerotte · 12-12-2013, 08:45 PM

Pro football is all about the $$$$$$$$$$$, nothing more, nothing less. Watching last year's playoffs and the Super Bowl totally confirmed my long held suspicions that it was just about the money, and fixed as well, and not just by the zebras.

GusFrerotte · 12-12-2013, 08:54 PM

I do think Snyder is smarter than Jones in that he stays quiet for the most part, thus doesn't say a lot of dumb things like Jones, but he likes his drama, because he knows it sells tickets and gives him free advertising. The thing is I think the charade will get old, and maybe the emphasis will be on winning again. This stupid obsession with getting teams in Europe is fantasy at best. FIFA games are not well attended as NFL games, as Europeans need every dime they have to survive anymore.

MTK · 12-12-2013, 09:20 PM

Drama sells tickets? Did you see the stands last week?

donofriose · 12-12-2013, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

I do think Snyder is smarter than Jones in that he stays quiet for the most part, thus doesn't say a lot of dumb things like Jones, but he likes his drama, because he knows it sells tickets and gives him free advertising. The thing is I think the charade will get old, and maybe the emphasis will be on winning again. This stupid obsession with getting teams in Europe is fantasy at best. FIFA games are not well attended as NFL games, as Europeans need every dime they have to survive anymore.

I think everyone needs every last dime in order to survive in today's world, whether you are European, American, or Martian.

The stadium was half empty. If the Skins didn't play Dallas, it would be half empty again next weekend.

Most owners only care about winning because it makes them money. There concern for winning games is distant second to making money. At least for the majority of owners.

donofriose · 12-12-2013, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by The Goat

It irritates me the best HC prospects are likely to prefer Houston and other franchises before DC. Dan will pay top dollar and we have a franchise QB. We have a lot to offer as a franchise. What the deuce??

RG3 isn't a proven Franchise QB yet. The skins have the potential of having a Franchise QB, but there is also the potential he is a bust as well at this point.

Shanahan has done well in making sure the Skins are worst than when he got here. Plus he also makes Snyder seem like an owner that involves himself too much. Similar to why Dallas cannot get the coaches they want.

SmootSmack · 12-12-2013, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

Drama sells tickets? Did you see the stands last week?

Gus has global insights...are you choosing to ignore them?

MTK · 12-12-2013, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Gus has global insights...are you choosing to ignore them?

I would comment if I could figure out what I'm commenting on.

The Goat · 12-12-2013, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

More pressure here, bigger market, and as we've seen the potential for crazy ass drama.

No doubt on all of those things Matty but when you think about nfl HC personalities...very high self confidence to outright overconfidence, big personalities, swagger...you'd think a lot of guys would relish the challenge and see the pot of gold on the other side.

And we have talent. I don't care what so many fans say, this team has legit talent at key positions. QB, RB, fb, LT, TE, and a solid wr on offense. And most of the defense is in place IMO. You give a guy like Lovie smith or Gregg Williams this defense (along with a few $ to fill in gaps) and it will be above average next year.

As to the retread vs new HC debate, seems like most successful HCs have needed some practice. Belichick was a retread in New England for instance. I'm not against a new HC coming from college or coordinator in the NFL. Am saying you want high football intelligence and the ability to lead/motivate players, those are the keys. If it's a guy who's had some HC experience, maybe in a subpar situation, I take him over the newbie. Just me.

SFREDSKIN · 12-12-2013, 11:08 PM

One coach that I really like but is not available is Mike McCoy. I think he's doing a great job in SD.

GTripp0012 · 12-13-2013, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by donofriose

RG3 isn't a proven Franchise QB yet. The skins have the potential of having a Franchise QB, but there is also the potential he is a bust as well at this point.

Shanahan has done well in making sure the Skins are worst than when he got here. Plus he also makes Snyder seem like an owner that involves himself too much. Similar to why Dallas cannot get the coaches they want.

There is that risk right this second, but with the right hire, it's a non-issue. Griffin is pretty established already.

What Philip Rivers is doing this year is a pretty good look at what Griffin can do as soon as next year. Rivers is still sloppy on some quarterbacking nuances, but he's really good at moving the ball and putting points on the board. And Mike McCoy types are available every year. Nothing special, just good, well organized coaching.

skinsfaninok · 12-13-2013, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

One coach that I really like but is not available is Mike McCoy. I think he's doing a great job in SD.

Great job and has revamped rivers career

Skins4L · 12-13-2013, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Who cares, the team is going to still suck!!!!!! The present roster is medicore, and will take 3 seasons to remedy that, and that is if the front office has a solid plan that it can actually get done in terms of getting the pieces in place. The other big issue is that this whole debacle proves and what the Marty debacle proved is that you can't have a strong willed coach work with Snyder or Danny boy will undermine him or just fire his ass. Danny helped create the monster diva in RG III, and any new coach is going to have to kiss RG IIIs ass. Do you think Bill Cowher would want to be a part of this organization knowing full well of how it is run? I don't want a college coach, just because he coached our diva in a college system in a conference that is known for absolutely NO DEFENSE. Besides we had that experiment with Spurrier and Danny "Awful", another Heisman winner. Personally, I do like John Gruden, but I don't think he would want to work for Snyder unless The Danny put up a ton of cash, and even then I think he will pass. He is making tons of $$$$$$$$$ just BSing about football and making commericals. Why put yourself in the middle of a firestorm? I am thinking we will have another Zorn type, a young assistant that will go for it, just to at least have on his resume he was a HC, but I think the smarter ones will not bite. Zorn will never ever be a HC in the NFL ever again because of the disaster he had in DC. The smarter ones will bide their time and go to a team they can win with and have a decent career. I just don't see this farce getting any better. I still think Jerry Jones and Snyder are geniuses and are just laughing at us little people for actually caring about this shit.

3 seasons???? the bum eagles fixed a mediocre roster in one. why cant we?? this same mediocre roster was able to get in sync and make wildcard. we need 3 solid additions, playmakers. thats what we need. zorn was in over his head with any team. yup. any team. u hate rg because hes an elite player im guessing. have to cater to someone or well be mediocre Foreverrrr.

donofriose · 12-13-2013, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Skins4L

3 seasons???? the bum eagles fixed a mediocre roster in one. why cant we?? this same mediocre roster was able to get in sync and make wildcard. we need 3 solid additions, playmakers. thats what we need. zorn was in over his head with any team. yup. any team. u hate rg because hes an elite player im guessing. have to cater to someone or well be mediocre Foreverrrr.

I think its going to take 3 years to actually be in Super bowl contention. In my opinion Eagles aren't actually in super bowl contention, they just happen to play in what I think is the worst division in football. It took Seattle and other "project" teams about 3 years to be in the super bowl picture. This team needs a lot of upgrades not to be just a wildcard or playoff team like the Bengals, but an actual super bowl contender. I think that will take around 3 years.

mredskins · 12-13-2013, 08:20 AM

Who ever the coach is I hope he brings winning here because i am tired of reading stupid comments like this on si.com, espn ,etc...

I am not a Redskins fan...so I love the soap opera that this causes...Let's see what the Redskins problems are...1) They have an owner who knows nothing about running a football team...He's a fan who had a ton of money and used it to buy the team...2) The Redskins are run like a fantasy football team...Look at the way they've obtained players...Always paying too much for the hottest free agents or selling the farm to move up in the draft...RGIII was the hottest QB coming out of the draft last year...Sooo the front office sold the farm to St. Louis to move up to draft RGIII...I said it then...Dumb move...He's too small, he's injury prone (you blow your ACL before your 21...it's going to happen again)...I was called hater and all these other wonderful names..Guess who was right...Anyway not to gloat...3) This team is only good at one thing...creating headlines other than winning football games...Let's see...You have Albert Haynesworth, the Cap Penalty, Jim Zorn's incompetence, etc...etc...Albert Haynesworth should be the model of what not to do with your money...The Cap Penalty...say what you want, how unfair it was to the two teams, the NFL has it out for the Redskins and the Cowboys...I drop the BS card on that quick...The owners had a gentleman's agreement (an unsigned contact) that certain things would not be done...Both of these teams violated that agreement in a pretty egregious manner and were made an example of...You think you have a gripe...Imagine what the Steelers went through...There are two rules named after Steelers players (Hines Ward rule and James Harrison rule)...If you don't know what they are, then you don't follow football enough...soooo quit whining about the cap hit...4) The defense is one of the worst in the league...Unless this team scores 30 points regularly...they are going to lose...Between Wilson and Deangelo Hall, I wouldn't use them to cover a bed much less a professional receiver...They can't tackle, cant cover, cant create pressure...Sounds like a typical Jim Hasslet defense...How does this guy keep getting jobs???...I'll wrap up with this because the Redskins problems are multi-layered...5) RGIII is from a generation that does not know how to interact as a team member...he only understands how to promote himself...This is the entitlement generation that we created...By giving everyone trophies and allowing everyone to be a "winner" we in fact created this monster...He's a ego maniac...He thrives on all the attention being on him...If it's not...there's a problem in his world...He needs therapy not a new coach...The NFL is about performance NOW not what you did in college...

We are just a laughing stock of the NFL. =(

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12-12-2013, 08:40 PM	#196
GusFrerotte Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Detroit area Posts: 4,153	Re: Choose Your 2014 Redskins Head Coach (Volume 2) Who cares, the team is going to still suck!!!!!! The present roster is medicore, and will take 3 seasons to remedy that, and that is if the front office has a solid plan that it can actually get done in terms of getting the pieces in place. The other big issue is that this whole debacle proves and what the Marty debacle proved is that you can't have a strong willed coach work with Snyder or Danny boy will undermine him or just fire his ass. Danny helped create the monster diva in RG III, and any new coach is going to have to kiss RG IIIs ass. Do you think Bill Cowher would want to be a part of this organization knowing full well of how it is run? I don't want a college coach, just because he coached our diva in a college system in a conference that is known for absolutely NO DEFENSE. Besides we had that experiment with Spurrier and Danny "Awful", another Heisman winner. Personally, I do like John Gruden, but I don't think he would want to work for Snyder unless The Danny put up a ton of cash, and even then I think he will pass. He is making tons of $$$$$$$$$ just BSing about football and making commericals. Why put yourself in the middle of a firestorm? I am thinking we will have another Zorn type, a young assistant that will go for it, just to at least have on his resume he was a HC, but I think the smarter ones will not bite. Zorn will never ever be a HC in the NFL ever again because of the disaster he had in DC. The smarter ones will bide their time and go to a team they can win with and have a decent career. I just don't see this farce getting any better. I still think Jerry Jones and Snyder are geniuses and are just laughing at us little people for actually caring about this shit.

12-12-2013, 08:45 PM	#197
GusFrerotte Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Detroit area Posts: 4,153	Re: Choose Your 2014 Redskins Head Coach (Volume 2) Pro football is all about the $$$$$$$$$$$, nothing more, nothing less. Watching last year's playoffs and the Super Bowl totally confirmed my long held suspicions that it was just about the money, and fixed as well, and not just by the zebras.

12-12-2013, 08:54 PM	#198
GusFrerotte Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Detroit area Posts: 4,153	Re: Choose Your 2014 Redskins Head Coach (Volume 2) I do think Snyder is smarter than Jones in that he stays quiet for the most part, thus doesn't say a lot of dumb things like Jones, but he likes his drama, because he knows it sells tickets and gives him free advertising. The thing is I think the charade will get old, and maybe the emphasis will be on winning again. This stupid obsession with getting teams in Europe is fantasy at best. FIFA games are not well attended as NFL games, as Europeans need every dime they have to survive anymore.

12-12-2013, 09:20 PM	#199
MTK ‎\m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 45 Posts: 90,213	Re: Choose Your 2014 Redskins Head Coach (Volume 2) Drama sells tickets? Did you see the stands last week? __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

12-12-2013, 11:08 PM	#205
SFREDSKIN MVP Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Pacifica, CA Posts: 10,211	Re: Choose Your 2014 Redskins Head Coach (Volume 2) One coach that I really like but is not available is Mike McCoy. I think he's doing a great job in SD. __________________ Joe Gibbs- The best coach of all time, Lombardi trophy should be renamed Gibbs. Art Monk- Art was like an OL playing WR, doing the dirty work and not getting the glory. Darrell Green- Best DB ever. Purveyor of fine Filth

12-13-2013, 08:20 AM	#210
mredskins Franchise Player Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 9,820	Re: Choose Your 2014 Redskins Head Coach (Volume 2) Who ever the coach is I hope he brings winning here because i am tired of reading stupid comments like this on si.com, espn ,etc... I am not a Redskins fan...so I love the soap opera that this causes...Let's see what the Redskins problems are...1) They have an owner who knows nothing about running a football team...He's a fan who had a ton of money and used it to buy the team...2) The Redskins are run like a fantasy football team...Look at the way they've obtained players...Always paying too much for the hottest free agents or selling the farm to move up in the draft...RGIII was the hottest QB coming out of the draft last year...Sooo the front office sold the farm to St. Louis to move up to draft RGIII...I said it then...Dumb move...He's too small, he's injury prone (you blow your ACL before your 21...it's going to happen again)...I was called hater and all these other wonderful names..Guess who was right...Anyway not to gloat...3) This team is only good at one thing...creating headlines other than winning football games...Let's see...You have Albert Haynesworth, the Cap Penalty, Jim Zorn's incompetence, etc...etc...Albert Haynesworth should be the model of what not to do with your money...The Cap Penalty...say what you want, how unfair it was to the two teams, the NFL has it out for the Redskins and the Cowboys...I drop the BS card on that quick...The owners had a gentleman's agreement (an unsigned contact) that certain things would not be done...Both of these teams violated that agreement in a pretty egregious manner and were made an example of...You think you have a gripe...Imagine what the Steelers went through...There are two rules named after Steelers players (Hines Ward rule and James Harrison rule)...If you don't know what they are, then you don't follow football enough...soooo quit whining about the cap hit...4) The defense is one of the worst in the league...Unless this team scores 30 points regularly...they are going to lose...Between Wilson and Deangelo Hall, I wouldn't use them to cover a bed much less a professional receiver...They can't tackle, cant cover, cant create pressure...Sounds like a typical Jim Hasslet defense...How does this guy keep getting jobs???...I'll wrap up with this because the Redskins problems are multi-layered...5) RGIII is from a generation that does not know how to interact as a team member...he only understands how to promote himself...This is the entitlement generation that we created...By giving everyone trophies and allowing everyone to be a "winner" we in fact created this monster...He's a ego maniac...He thrives on all the attention being on him...If it's not...there's a problem in his world...He needs therapy not a new coach...The NFL is about performance NOW not what you did in college... We are just a laughing stock of the NFL. =( __________________ When life gives you paper jams, turn them into paper footballs!

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