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Old 12-12-2013, 04:33 AM   #271
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Look, I want the best product on the field. If it's Cousins then guess what... I want Cousins starting. If its RG3 then I want RG3 starting. I'll admit RG3 has the best "POTENTIAL" but if he's not living up to that potential then I'll take Cousins.
I could care less about all the picks given up for any QB or the amount of money being tossed to either.
Ditto. Let's see what we really have in Cousins these last 3 games. If he can't torch these shitty Defenses, then we're really screwed
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Old 12-12-2013, 08:11 AM   #272
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Ditto. Let's see what we really have in Cousins these last 3 games. If he can't torch these shitty Defenses, then we're really screwed
That's the problem though. If he DOES do well, then that opens up a whole new can of worms. But what does it really show though? Playing teams with lousy to awful defenses, when you're 3-10 and there's absolutely no pressure, is it really a good indicator of how good he is?

This organization is royally messed up no matter what happens. The embarassing thing is they've become a national punch line now. So much for the circus being in Tampa Bay or Miami, etc.
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That's the problem though. If he DOES do well, then that opens up a whole new can of worms. But what does it really show though? Playing teams with lousy to awful defenses, when you're 3-10 and there's absolutely no pressure, is it really a good indicator of how good he is?

This organization is royally messed up no matter what happens. The embarassing thing is they've become a national punch line now. So much for the circus being in Tampa Bay or Miami, etc.
RG3 played two of those lousy defenses. We didn't crack 20 points in either game.
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I'm not worried about KC playing well, its the other 52. This team has quit, Josh Morgan literally walked an out route Sunday, the quitters may hamper Our American Cousin from prospering. Plus when we're down by 30+ at halftime the D will be licking chops.
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That's the problem though. If he DOES do well, then that opens up a whole new can of worms. But what does it really show though? Playing teams with lousy to awful defenses, when you're 3-10 and there's absolutely no pressure, is it really a good indicator of how good he is?

This organization is royally messed up no matter what happens. The embarassing thing is they've become a national punch line now. So much for the circus being in Tampa Bay or Miami, etc.
Atlanta is worse then I thought so maybe don't count them but RG3 played against both division rivals and lost with the same offense Cousins will have and the same lame Redskins defense Cousins will have. If Cousins comes out and moves the ball well and wins then the team will have a can of worms.

Personally I think people put too much into one player. There have been many of QB's that have been picked that have turned out to be busts and the Redskins have seen their fair share. If nothing else everyone should be cautious in regards to a QB that had one good year (with a converted offense to enhance RG3's abilities) and one bad year (due to injury). Any other position and we fans would be calling RG3 50/50 and saying we have to wait until yr 3 to decide what we got in him. But for what ever reason everyone is 110% in on RG3, even after hearing what Cooley had to say about RG3's deficiencies. "IF" Cooley is correct... MS or whoever is the next HC has a ton of work with RG3 in the off season, and it usually starts with footwork and back peddling, trying to get him comfortable in a pocket, getting rid of the happy feet, building a mental clock.

We fans want a Payton Manning, someone who will manage the game, someone who will look solid going through his progressions and delivering the ball, someone who reads the defenses well and readjusts his protection or changes to a better play.

In reality Cousins is light years ahead of RG3 if he has half of these down. I heard on the radio yesterday an ex player say that in last weeks game RG3 ran on play 2 or 3 times and each time he got sacked, one from the RT the other from up the center. Cousins came in and used the same play and for the first time a QB was able to get to the 3rd option and deliver a strike. Not to mention Cousins rotated his protection to the correct side and it picked up the rusher. The speaker said he has not seen RG3 get past the 1st read. If the first read is not available he takes off running. (my opinion>) Now that might be out of habit, meaning if all RG3 was asked to do in college was take the snap and throw to his first option or run then thats all he's going to know how to do. Maybe thats why Briles offense is supposedly so fast, line up, take the snap, look at the first option, or run. Line up do it again. IDK.
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I'm not worried about KC playing well, its the other 52. This team has quit, Josh Morgan literally walked an out route Sunday, the quitters may hamper Our American Cousin from prospering. Plus when we're down by 30+ at halftime the D will be licking chops.
I agree with you. Sometimes it just takes one person. Maybe this offense rallies around Cousins for 3 games and plays well. Well, maybe not the OL, but the rest. lol.
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I think there are two groups of people in favor of this when it all comes down to it.


A) Fans that want to baby Robert and treat him as if he's some porcelain vase.



B) Fans that wanted RGIII benched due to this play and wanted to see Kirk in.
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Old 12-12-2013, 08:56 AM   #278
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I think the media blowing a lot of this stuff waaaaaay out of proportion. and what if DS and Allen had the meeting after last weeks game and both came to the conclusion that their only option is either keep MS for his final year or fire him and pay him 7 mill to sit or coach elsewhere AND pay some new coach 7 mill to coach this team?

I'll hedge my bet and say DS picked keeping MS. So if you are stuck with each other and what your doing is not working then changes have to be made. So they meet with MS and tell him he has this last year to fix this mess and what does he think it will take to get it done? If I was MS I'd play Cousins just to see if he could do better in the last meaningless games, only so I'd have film and proof if he does well to take to DS and Allen to say..."we need to start Cousins next year because he's light years ahead of RG3, BUT we will keep developing RG3 because he has more potential down the road. If Cousins does not look better from a coaches stand point in what they look at then no harm no foul, just play RG3 next year and hope for the best.

Where I think everyone is missing the point is, I think the coaches adjusted their offensive scheme majorly to help out RG3 with what he already knew how to do. I think this year they tried to get more away from the "Read Option" not because RG3 was hurt but because thats not their scheme. I'm betting Cousins will work better in "their" scheme. Which is why MS has changed his mind on starting Cousins to show case to DS and Allen that he was right in drafting Cousins.
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I think there are two groups of people in favor of this when it all comes down to it.


A) Fans that want to baby Robert and treat him as if he's some porcelain vase.



B) Fans that wanted RGIII benched due to this play and wanted to see Kirk in.
Well, in hind sight most everyone here would say RG3 should not have started atleast until the bye week maybe longer. Anyone who says RG3 is 100% is a fool, cause if he is tell him to take the brace off it's slowing him down.

I also think that if your looking at your sports car in the driveway and your pick up truck and your trying to decide which to drive and you now your route will have you driving on a dirt road with ruts in it and pot holes most of us would probably take the truck just so we wouldn't damage the suspension of the sports car. Prior to last weeks game just about everyone was saying bench RG3 and let him stay healthy and not get hurt especially since the OL sucks so bad. MS said "no RG3 needs all the reps he can get." Which is true, but something changed his mind...maybe DS said bench him so he's healthy next year, maybe it was MS with facing losing his job said let me play Cousins these last 3 games to show you its RG3 and he's not making good decisions.

If MS can prove that then maybe DS keeps MS the final year and lets the coaching staff work all off season with RG3 to develop him and if he still isn't getting it they can start Cousins next year. Worst case scenario Cousins bombs also and MS is fired.
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Atlanta is worse then I thought so maybe don't count them but RG3 played against both division rivals and lost with the same offense Cousins will have and the same lame Redskins defense Cousins will have. If Cousins comes out and moves the ball well and wins then the team will have a can of worms.

Personally I think people put too much into one player. There have been many of QB's that have been picked that have turned out to be busts and the Redskins have seen their fair share. If nothing else everyone should be cautious in regards to a QB that had one good year (with a converted offense to enhance RG3's abilities) and one bad year (due to injury). Any other position and we fans would be calling RG3 50/50 and saying we have to wait until yr 3 to decide what we got in him. But for what ever reason everyone is 110% in on RG3, even after hearing what Cooley had to say about RG3's deficiencies. "IF" Cooley is correct... MS or whoever is the next HC has a ton of work with RG3 in the off season, and it usually starts with footwork and back peddling, trying to get him comfortable in a pocket, getting rid of the happy feet, building a mental clock.

We fans want a Payton Manning, someone who will manage the game, someone who will look solid going through his progressions and delivering the ball, someone who reads the defenses well and readjusts his protection or changes to a better play.

In reality Cousins is light years ahead of RG3 if he has half of these down. I heard on the radio yesterday an ex player say that in last weeks game RG3 ran on play 2 or 3 times and each time he got sacked, one from the RT the other from up the center. Cousins came in and used the same play and for the first time a QB was able to get to the 3rd option and deliver a strike. Not to mention Cousins rotated his protection to the correct side and it picked up the rusher. The speaker said he has not seen RG3 get past the 1st read. If the first read is not available he takes off running. (my opinion>) Now that might be out of habit, meaning if all RG3 was asked to do in college was take the snap and throw to his first option or run then thats all he's going to know how to do. Maybe thats why Briles offense is supposedly so fast, line up, take the snap, look at the first option, or run. Line up do it again. IDK.
It's not just Cooley either. Several others who break down film for a living have pointed out the same deficiencies. You don't see much pre-snap barking and pointing from Griffin either and maybe that is telling. Sonny Jergenson said everything happens pre-snap. He said QBs need to look at Defenders feet and eyes, so they know where to go with the ball BEFORE it's snapped. Waiting until after the ball is snapped is way too late.

I hope Cousins plays his ass off. We can deal with the worms later
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After listening to the presser today, I'm okay with shutting him down. We're not playing for anything right now (Pride left 3 weeks ago...). An injury to RGIII would be exponentially worse than missing game time reps in these last 3 weeks. I think if Shanny were doing a "F*ck you!" to the Redskins (Snyder) then I think he would actually leave RGIII out there and not give a crap if he got hurt. If the organization truly believes that RGIII is the future then why chance it all on three meaningless games? This season is totally gone for RGIII. I kind of wonder though why not sit him against the Chiefs, but whatever. I highly doubt this "benching" is going to have any long term psychological consequences for him.
Might actually light a fire under his butt to work extra hard in the off season to correct what he's doing wrong and get back to fundamentals. RG3 worked with a QB training coach prior to the draft to work on NFL fundamentals. That coach came out and said the RG3 we all saw in the last game is not the RG3 he coached up and trained. He saw no fundamentals he gave RG3. That tells me alot.
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I think there are two groups of people in favor of this when it all comes down to it.


A) Fans that want to baby Robert and treat him as if he's some porcelain vase.



B) Fans that wanted RGIII benched due to this play and wanted to see Kirk in.
I am B, but Shanahan has his own category for his reasoning.
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Robert Griffin III off to a good start - NFC East Blog - ESPN
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I think there are two groups of people in favor of this when it all comes down to it.


A) Fans that want to baby Robert and treat him as if he's some porcelain vase.



B) Fans that wanted RGIII benched due to this play and wanted to see Kirk in.
I'm in group C) People who like RG3 and Cousins and think things are so crazy with the organization, so F it, do whatever because its not like we're going to win anyway.
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