Kirk Cousins Expected To Start Sunday

SBXVII · 12-13-2013, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by donofriose

If cousins plays well it will be because the Skins played the Falcons (29th ranked D), The Giants (21st ranked D), and the Cowboys... possibly the Worst defense ever. If he actually was concerned for RG3 or wanted to give Cousins a chance he would have benched him against KC. Except Shanahan knows KC would kill Cousins too so he would look like an idiot, which in my opinion, he already does.

I think this was well calculated move by Shanahan for future coaching jobs for him or his son.

Ok, so I guess the coaches mind set is "hey, if I bench the 90% healthy starting QB with 3 meaningless games left and claim I'm protecting him then some other team will look at that as being brilliant and hire me." ? That does not make sense since most here seem to think its a dumb idiot move.

I think MS and KS would have gotten picked up somewhere else no matter what. I mean look at Marty Schottenheimer and his son. Marty moved to several teams but kept getting picked up. His son is with the Rams right now but didn't coach well with the Jets his final year.

I think owners are smart enough to know that its not just about putting together a great coaching staff but also having great players who buy into the system. If any one of the three are bad (coaching, system, or players) then no play offs, no SB. But sometimes its a crap shoot. A very expensive crap shoot putting together the right mix.

SBXVII · 12-13-2013, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

This is like the Middle Ages debate about how many angels can stand on the point of a pin.

Who gives a damn about the true reasons why Shanahan shut down RGIII? He and his entire coaching staff will soon be gone. That's what is important.

I can hardly wait to wave bye-bye to them so I can start bitching about the new guy and his staff.

Don't bring Religion into this debate.

donofriose · 12-13-2013, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by SBXVII

I don't argue the poor record, but just because MS is the HC and RG3 was drafted does not mean RG3 was MS's guy and he wanted him and we all should blame MS for picking RG3.

WE all have seen in the past and heard years later that Snyder wanted a specific player or Cerrato wanted a specific player and the HC didn't want them. I'd believe you had these things not happened before. Then the rumor that Cousins was drafted because MS really wanted Cousins.

If RG3 was truly MS's guy and the face of the Franchise then there was no need to draft Cousins or any QB so high after RG3. We could have picked up a 6th rounder or 7th rounder to ride the bench or hold a clip board. The only fiasco I see is a possible QB controversy if Cousins plays well in these last 3 games. The problem is Snyder probably does not want to fire MS and pay him 7 mill as well as pay another coach 7 mill.

Also do any of the other coaches get the same treatment in regards to getting paid even if they are fired? I doubt DS wants to pay this whole coaching staff if he fires them and another coaching staff to do the job. It's easy for us fans to say "Fire Shanahan" but that's because it's not coming out of our pockets.

I heard if they remove the entire coaching staff it would cost around 20 million dollars. Not sure of the exact number though.

Mike had the final say on personnel decisions so if he didn't want RG3, he should have said no. It is irrelevant if Snyder was pushing for him or not. Shanahan was in control, not Snyder.

over the mountain · 12-13-2013, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Everyone thought drew brees wasn't any good after he left SD and now look at the guy. Patience people

yeah i lived in san diego at that time and the few chargers fans that existed were split with "hes okay" or "we need to upgrade".

a lot like jason campbell discussions here (not that they were similar skill sets, just the split opinion amongst fans).

Ultimately they didnt have a talented all-around team and didnt give brees many weapons to work with in the receiving corps. I think they brought in a washed up david boston and fans thought brees had all the help he needed.

Alot like the skins now, bad coaching with an incomplete team

rg3 will be a stud.

donofriose · 12-13-2013, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SBXVII

Ok, so I guess the coaches mind set is "hey, if I bench the 90% healthy starting QB with 3 meaningless games left and claim I'm protecting him then some other team will look at that as being brilliant and hire me." ? That does not make sense since most here seem to think its a dumb idiot move.

I think MS and KS would have gotten picked up somewhere else no matter what. I mean look at Marty Schottenheimer and his son. Marty moved to several teams but kept getting picked up. His son is with the Rams right now but didn't coach well with the Jets his final year.

I think owners are smart enough to know that its not just about putting together a great coaching staff but also having great players who buy into the system. If any one of the three are bad (coaching, system, or players) then no play offs, no SB. But sometimes its a crap shoot. A very expensive crap shoot putting together the right mix.

No, I think Kyle and Mike can say it was Snyder and RG3's fault for our failures, not ours. I believe that is their end game. Mike might not coach again and I think people around the league are starting to like Kyle less and less. But I agree coaches get a lot of chances they do not deserve... Like Mike Shanahan in Washington.

Well Shanahan was in control of coaching, the system, and having the final decision on players (even more than Allen from what I read). So I guess Snyder trusted the wrong guy in order to fix all three of the problems that Washington has had the past 20 years.

SBXVII · 12-13-2013, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Gary84Clark

One track mind obsessed with Obama. i said Tebow and he said Obama??? WTH?

I'm sorry it appeared you were making a wise crack about the people making negative comments about RG3 must be Tebow lovers and are "going hard against RG3."

Seemed like a negative dig to me referring to all who didn't have 100% positive things to say about RG3. My bad. I didn't know you did not mean to use that statement in that context. Thus my comment about how people who don't like hearing negative things about Obama quickly use the "your a racist" comment.

Again I apologize for mis reading you.

SBXVII · 12-13-2013, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by donofriose

I heard if they remove the entire coaching staff it would cost around 20 million dollars. Not sure of the exact number though.

Mike had the final say on personnel decisions so if he didn't want RG3, he should have said no. It is irrelevant if Snyder was pushing for him or not. Shanahan was in control, not Snyder.

So imagine 20 mill and then paying a whole new group to coach this team. As long as it's not my money ... I'm all for it, but I'd bet DS would raise the ticket prices yet again to off set it.

I thought decisions were made by all 3, DS-Allen-MS. but even so if your boss comes to you and say hey I want this guy... do you tell him no when he's paying your salary? or do you get his guy and still go out and pick the QB you think is better?

donofriose · 12-13-2013, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by SBXVII

So imagine 20 mill and then paying a whole new group to coach this team. As long as it's not my money ... I'm all for it, but I'd bet DS would raise the ticket prices yet again to off set it.

I thought decisions were made by all 3, DS-Allen-MS. but even so if your boss comes to you and say hey I want this guy... do you tell him no when he's paying your salary? or do you get his guy and still go out and pick the QB you think is better?

Snyder isn't going to raise ticket prices for the coaching staff. Tickets are more about supply and demand than how much you pay for coaches. He saw the stadium last weekend, the lack of demand will be more of a problem than paying a new coaching staff.

From what I read and heard Mike had the final decision. Similar to Carroll in Seattle, or Jimmy Johnson of the Cowboys when they were a dynasty. It isn't a coincidence that ever since Jerry Jones has had the final decision the Cowboys have been mediocre. Snyder, I'm sure approached him about RG3, but Mike came in telling Snyder that he will have complete control, told Snyder who the GM will be, and Snyder still paid him.

Honestly, if my salary was guaranteed, like Mike's is, I would make the decisions I thought would be best for the team. If snyder fired him he would still get paid so why would he care. He could probably get a job at another place because he would have evidence of Snyder trying to do too much. Then the entire Redskins would nation would hate Snyder even more.

FRPLG · 12-13-2013, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

If you have to clarify why you're not a racist... you're probably a racist. lol

Boom

punch it in · 12-13-2013, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by HailGreen28

In answer to your question: I've said, and still think, Cousins should have started until RG3 was healthy. I understand as long as we could make a run like last season, we wanted RG3 to play and hoped he'd do well. He hasn't done bad, it's just obvious he's not at 100%. I'm undecided on whether it would be better for him now to get more live reps, or not risk further injury this season.

So answer me this question, punch: Why is there all this weird lunchroom banter (about Shanny's motives) dominating the board discussion now, and not back at the weeks one through 6?

Ummmm......because Griff wasnt deactivated/benched than?

Gary84Clark · 12-13-2013, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by SBXVII

I'm sorry it appeared you were making a wise crack about the people making negative comments about RG3 must be Tebow lovers and are "going hard against RG3."

Seemed like a negative dig to me referring to all who didn't have 100% positive things to say about RG3. My bad. I didn't know you did not mean to use that statement in that context. Thus my comment about how people who don't like hearing negative things about Obama quickly use the "your a racist" comment.

Again I apologize for mis reading you.

The same people I argue with on NFl.com about Tebow are now going after RG3 hard. That is why I said that. They hated RG3 attention and awards he received last year because it over shadowed Tebow's demise.

punch it in · 12-13-2013, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by HailGreen28

Yeah, I'm just looking at the poll numbers. And there's been some good discussion here. And RG3 hasn't been bad, just not the superman we saw last season.

I take your word Shanny's a bastard. So could he have played RG3 to start the season just to try getting back to the playoffs, and now that the season's over there's no reason to? That's what benching him once we're mathematically eliminated says to me.

But we were eliminated after the Giants game. He played him in the Chiefs game and when this all started is when he benched him.

SBXVII · 12-13-2013, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Gary84Clark

The same people I argue with on NFl.com about Tebow are now going after RG3 hard. That is why I said that. They hated RG3 attention and awards he received last year because it over shadowed Tebow's demise.

Then I do sincerely apologize. I happen to always root for the underdog. My two QB picks from the drafts were Weeden and Dalton. Not saying I know what I'm doing just that I liked them over the rest. Many of my friends were Tannehill fans. But then the RG3 wave hit and honestly I was not 100% on board with him nor Luck. I too didn't like all the attention he was getting. and because of that I'm excited to see Cousins finally getting his chance. He may do poorly but I know it rubs the RG3 fanatics the wrong way

SBXVII · 12-13-2013, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by punch it in

But we were eliminated after the Giants game. He played him in the Chiefs game and when this all started is when he benched him.

Which is why it makes me wonder if MS saw how really bad the field was on Sun and changed his mind or if it came from above (DS) to bench RG3 to keep him from getting injured.

What we know is the team has only done well 1 year out of 4, DS was pissed after the last game and met with Allen, if not the same meeting then a seperate meeting came to pass over RG3 and ... I'm guessing more but we just don't know about it cause MS does not want to talk about what he and DS discussed or their relationship. I will say though that if the relationship was good I'm betting MS would have come out and said "we have a great relationship." If they don't most likely he won't say either way.

NC_Skins · 12-13-2013, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by SBXVII

Which is why it makes me wonder if MS saw how really bad the field was on Sun and changed his mind or if it came from above (DS) to bench RG3 to keep him from getting injured.

View Poll Results: Do you agree with the decision to shut down RG3 for the rest of the season?
Yes	56	47.46%
No	39	33.05%
Not sure	23	19.49%
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