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Old 12-11-2013, 10:58 AM   #61
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I watched until they took the game off. Kirk looked bad against KC worse than RG3. did you watch the game?
He threw some nice passes and he threw some bad ones. However, he's being put in a tough spot coming off the bench cold. I really wouldn't judge Rex, Kirk or RG3 coming in that type of situation. With a full week of practice and preparation with the first team offense, I'd expect him to play better. I would judge him after the Atlanta game.
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Or you could watch RGIII. Hold the ball too long sack fumble. Run with the ball tackle fumble. Throw the ball up for grabs int. etc............................................... ...........................................
RG3 definitely has ball security issues, but I've been saying for awhile now, I think part of the reason why he runs so much is because he doesn't trust his receivers to either get open or catch the ball. There's been times he's run even when his receivers were getting open. I'm not sure what it would take to fix that.
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I know I know, why would they use the option then if MS didn't think it was a viable scheme? Because they just drafted a mobile QB, one they discovered was having trouble with the play book (maybe just speculation). So the best thing to do is instead of forcing RG3 to play like he's not accustomed to then why not tweak the offense to be able to do what your QB can do? As an example I've heard media pundits complain that RG3's foot work is horrible, and they don't know why MS didn't work harder with RG3's footwork. It's because it takes time and some QB's never get it right. So they might have bailed on the footwork, bailed on RG3's throwing motion, and said lets just do what he does best which is the read option and QB option. <and it worked.

Then the second year was a disaster and the pro defenses have started catching up with the read option. You as HC have also learned that your prized QB has difficulty reading defenses. You'd rather start the back up but know it will cause waves in the organization especially after so many draft picks were given up to get him.
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RG3 definitely has ball security issues, but I've been saying for awhile now, I think part of the reason why he runs so much is because he doesn't trust his receivers to either get open or catch the ball. There's been times he's run even when his receivers were getting open. I'm not sure what it would take to fix that.
A full offseason with a real coach for starters. Another wr, and lets throw in a side of lineman.
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Um, no cause I bailed at half-time like some other fan here suggested everyone do. lol. So I was surprised to hear the next day that Cousins was put in.

However, it's a difficult situation to put a QB in throwing him in and expecting results when he has not game planned through the week. I know everyone is supposed to be ready at all times but the back up QB get very little reps.

Also maybe now the OL might look a little better, maybe, if they know where the QB is going to be and all they have to do is set up a pocket or push defenders beyond the pocket. RG3 kept leaving the pocket sometimes running right into the pressure.
Let me fill you in. Polumbus let his man bull rush. Cousins fumbled and Ploumbus recoverd it. Cousins was trying to release the ball quicker but he was staring down receivers and almost threw several picks.
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Let me fill you in. Polumbus let his man bull rush. Cousins fumbled and Ploumbus recoverd it. Cousins was trying to release the ball quicker but he was staring down receivers and almost threw several picks.
This. Cousins also held onto the ball for a long time on that fumble. Dude has the mechanics, (can throw a sharp accurate pass) but not the skill yet (tends to stare down receivers, not read zones well etc)
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In the brief bit that I have seen Cousins this year and last year I do not think he has the big play ability that RG3 has shown from last year and to a much lesser extent this year. While a game manager type of QB can get you to the playoffs I don't think they have what it takes to succeed consistently in todays NFL. I have heard the professionals discuss Cousins quick release and comfort in the pocket and that certainly is a plus in his favor. On the other side I am concerned of some of the habits that RG3 has been developing this year like not stepping into throws. Yes he is young but he is getting to an age where habits become more challenging to break.
Also heard the same about "running QB's". Many of people here have said very few QB's like RG3, McNabb, etc. etc. do not do well and don't go very far because they are often injured. Some have said they would prefer a pocket passer.

Cousins might not seem to have the "IT" factor but maybe he manages the ball well and wins the games. Sounds like Eli Manning to me.
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Let me fill you in. Polumbus let his man bull rush. Cousins fumbled and Ploumbus recoverd it. Cousins was trying to release the ball quicker but he was staring down receivers and almost threw several picks.
Look I saw the play later on the news. No need to fill me in. I've said last year we need a bonified RT. How many times did RG3 fumble the ball in the pocket because Polumbus got beat? or Trent? or the whole center of the OL?

I get the OL is bad. But as Firstdown said it doesn't excuse the holding the ball too long, not stepping up into throws, throwing the ball up for grabs, over throwing your WR's, terrible foot work, etc. etc.
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This. Cousins also held onto the ball for a long time on that fumble. Dude has the mechanics, (can throw a sharp accurate pass) but not the skill yet (tends to stare down receivers, not read zones well etc)
Wait... your talking about RG3, right? LOL. I see all that with RG3. Their young QB's still learning. RG3's INT on Sunday was him staring down the WR the WHOLE time. The announcers even mentioned it. So RG3 is no saint either.
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Re: Kirk Cousins Expected To Start Sunday

Giant, Eagle and Cowboy fans at work always make fun of the Skins this year after each game saying how last year was just a fluke and we are doomed to failure...

This is such a train wreck, they have quit talking about the Redskins or football in general around me... That's how bad this Circus is... Fans from our hated rivals actually feel bad for me being a Skins fan, they have laid off this week...
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Look I saw the play later on the news. No need to fill me in. I've said last year we need a bonified RT. How many times did RG3 fumble the ball in the pocket because Polumbus got beat? or Trent? or the whole center of the OL?

I get the OL is bad. But as Firstdown said it doesn't excuse the holding the ball too long, not stepping up into throws, throwing the ball up for grabs, over throwing your WR's, terrible foot work, etc. etc.
People are going to blame the knee brace for the foot work and the accuracy. I don't know much about throwing mechanics so I can't agree or disagree with that, just from what I've read in the past.

RG3 definitely needs to work on holding onto the ball, as he's in 2nd place behind Matt Stafford in terms of fumbles (11). While some of that is RG3's blame, the o-line shouldn't be letting him get nailed so much.
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What sucks about Griff being inactive is now i feel obligated to watch KC just out of curiosity. Damn.
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Here is Cooley's comments regarding RG3 and the coaches.

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Former Redskins tight end Chris Cooley made an appearance on CBS Sports Radio and said that he believes that head coach Mike and Kyle Shanahan are not convinced that Robert Griffin III was the guy they wanted to draft.

“Over the last year and a half Mike and/or Kyle are of the belief that Robert (Griffin III) isn’t the guy they wanted,” said Cooley. “That it isn’t necessarily their pick and he isn’t developing the way they want him to develop. And it’s been very tough for them. And the same time, Robert is everything to the Washington Redskins.”

“I believe that it’s not necessarily just hat relationship, but it’s that ultimate belief that they’re not going to be able to win football games with their style of offense with this kid. And they’ve came to the conclusion that the best way is to cut ties as early as possible.”

If Shanahan is ready to move on from Griffin, then he clearly missed when he decided to draft him.

Cooley also went on to say that he believes Shanahan doesn’t think he’ll be able to grow with Griffin as his quarterback and that they’re on completely different pages
Chris Cooley believes Mike Shanahan is ready to cut ties with RG3
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There was rumors at the beginning of the season that the reason RG3 was started was because the NFL wanted him starting ($$$) and it was Mon. night football.

Also I wouldn't have put it past RG3 to have been scared of losing his job as other rumors have surfaced and that he rushed back so he wouldn't lose it.

Yes it is a big F-U, but if pressure has been on to start RG3, now is the perfect time to start Cousins.

You as HC, your job is at stake, the field IS a mess so you have a valid excuse to start the back up that you think is better, so you make the call. One of two things will happen...1- you prove your right and get to stay the final year with back up QB or your fired like you were going to be anyway.

Lets look at the positives.... If nothing else Cousins is getting showcased to be traded AFTER Shanahan is gone. Why would he care? If I was the HC I'd keep playing RG3, keep embarrassing the owner and QB in order to get fired sooner. Plus with no game film Cousins is just another unproven QB. Nice back QB. Atleast if Cousins shines Snyder will have more of a difficult decision to make. Keep the HC and back up QB and leave RG3 benched? maybe trade RG3 to another team for some of our picks back?

I mean if MS is done with the "read option" then maybe its RG3 who's expendable to a team that runs the "read option" say.... the Eagles? Right now MS has 3 games to prove to DS that the option is not the way to go.
SBXVII: I know you're trying to look on the optimistic side of things, and believe me, you won't find very many here more optimistic than me, but in this case, Mike Shanahan is not looking out for the best interest of the team, RGIII, Kirk Cousins, or anybody else. I don't even think he's looking out for the best interest for himself other than collecting his $7 mil. Maybe he's martyring himself to save his son's reputation, but other than that, there is nothing good coming out of any of this.
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