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Old 12-19-2013, 10:35 AM   #16
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Re: Tell 'Em to Pack or Bring 'Em Back

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John Keim posted about the 15 unrestricted free agents the Redskins have and if this is their last game as a Redskin at Fed Ex Field. Simple question, if you were the GM would you tell them to pack or want to bring them back?

My opinion:
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Brian Orakpo- Homegrown talent at a position of need that will be too expensive to replace in either draft capital or in free agency.

Fred Davis- Especially with a new coach, clean slate. He's got a ton of flaws but I think the right coach can find a way to make him productive again and Reed/Davis can be a devastating combo. Likely will be a one year deal again.

Perry Riley- See reasons for Orakpo.

Chris Baker- Good, young depth and occasional playmaker. This is the type of player in the Snyder era who has gotten away and flourished elsewhere.

E.J. Biggers- Young, fast, provides depth as well and shouldn't cost too much.

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Darryl Tapp, Rex Grossman, Nick Barnett-No individual comments needed, provided little or nothing on the field and won't be missed.

Santana Moss, Reed Doughty-Carryovers from the Gibbs years. Thanks for the service but their production can easily be met or surpassed by younger and cheaper players.

Josh Morgan- He enters the 'Deion Sanders' category of someone who should show up at Redskins Park with a ski mask on whenever he picks up his paycheck.

Josh Wilson & Deangelo Hall- It's time to move on from this duo. I don't know if Wilson would even be in the NFL this year if it wasn't for us. Hall played well all year but this seems like 2012 London Fletcher. We're seeing the last flickers of talent but shouldn't be fooled into thinking it's about to be a real fire again.

Rob Jackson- Really could go either way on him. He's a playmaker when given the chance but not talented or consistent enough to be a starter. Also, one stupid or careless move from a one year drug suspension so he can be replaced but it wouldn't be the worst move if he's retained.
I like your list with the exception of not resigning Rob Jackson, if Fred Davis is willing to grow up and act mature then I would negotiate with him.
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Old 12-19-2013, 11:35 AM   #17
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Re: Tell 'Em to Pack or Bring 'Em Back

I wouldnt be surprised to see Rexy back but as a QB coach. From what I heard RG and KC really like him and his input.
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Old 12-19-2013, 11:47 AM   #18
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No to E.J. Biggers! He is the worst tackler in history, both on D and ST.
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Old 12-19-2013, 11:59 AM   #19
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Re: Tell 'Em to Pack or Bring 'Em Back

I would bring back Orakpo, Tapp, Davis, Riley, Jackson, Hall, Moss, and Baker.

Grossman, Barnett, Doughty, Biggers, Morgan, and Wilson I would send packing.

And as for J.D. Walton, I don't know.
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Old 12-19-2013, 12:53 PM   #20
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Re: Tell 'Em to Pack or Bring 'Em Back

EJ Biggers throw him out.
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Old 12-19-2013, 12:56 PM   #21
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Fred Davis Seattle Seahawk all pro.
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Old 12-19-2013, 01:13 PM   #22
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Re: Tell 'Em to Pack or Bring 'Em Back

its really easy to say i would get rid of this guy. but unless you have a plan, someone like hall does have value to the skins
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Old 12-19-2013, 02:06 PM   #23
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Re: Tell 'Em to Pack or Bring 'Em Back

My hope is that we get out of the 3-4 biz and into a version of the 4-3 under Leo like Seattle with Rack in the Leo position.
I would Keep:

Brian Orakpo- Can develop into elite with better coaching backing him.

Fred Davis- Only with a new coach. He is a talent, but he is also stupid.

Perry Riley- He is Antonio Pierce part 2.

Chris Baker- Good, young depth. Should continue to develop.

Darryl Tapp- Good depth player

Santana Moss- Can be a get player/coach for new crop of receivers

Deangelo Hall- He has taken a pay cut for the team and had a pro-bowl caliber year.

Rob Jackson- Playmaker that would do well in the new defense.
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Old 12-19-2013, 02:33 PM   #24
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Re: Tell 'Em to Pack or Bring 'Em Back

Why is it when a player hits 32 he's to old to play in the NFL for the Redskins?

It's nice to have a good mix of veterans with younger players. You can't just go out and pull up every 22 year old and expect him to produce right away. This isn't Madden.

Hall should stay, and so should Barnett.
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Re: Tell 'Em to Pack or Bring 'Em Back

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Why is it when a player hits 32 he's to old to play in the NFL for the Redskins?

It's nice to have a good mix of veterans with younger players. You can't just go out and pull up every 22 year old and expect him to produce right away. This isn't Madden.

Hall should stay, and so should Barnett.
Price has to be the determining factor on aging players. You can't destroy your cap to keep some experience.
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Old 12-19-2013, 03:03 PM   #27
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Keeping Davis, a guy who was out played by a rookie and a blocking TE and cutting Hall, the only guy on the secondary who has consistently produced every year?

... I can already tell this is going to be a really long offseason.
RE Davis; not that I think he'd want to stay here, and not that I would pay him a ton; but label me concerned about Jordan Reed and his health. These concussion issues in this capacity can really be limiting to his career. I do think that we need someone who is a suitable back up at that position as a pass catching threat next year.

I'd bring Hall back on another 1 year deal if we can.
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Old 12-19-2013, 03:10 PM   #28
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Bring all of them back for camp competition except Doughty, Grossman, Morgan, Wilson.
Doughty has been our most consistent and best safety, granted that isn't saying much. why would you not want him back especially at a league minimum?

I want RAK back but not at franchise player money. he is probably gone.
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Old 12-19-2013, 03:49 PM   #29
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Why is Orakpo not worth franchise player money? He's a double digit sack guy, how easy do we think it is to find those guys?

He got hurt a couple times but I can't see holding that against him, there's no evidence those weren't freak things that could have just as easily happened to anybody.
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Keep in mind, good pass rushers NEVER hit the open market. You're talking about having to use a high first rounder to find another one.
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