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Old 12-31-2013, 02:47 PM   #61
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So GM in name only then? GMs do GM things... Perhaps he need the paycheck?
You clearly have no knowledge of how the Redskins front office worked under Shanahan. I would draw you an org structure but this isn't MS Word.

Shanahan reported to Snyder. Allen reported to Shanahan. Campbell and Brown reported to Allen.

All personnel decisions were made by Mike. Salary cap functions, scouting functions, non-football operations and alumni relations were handled by Allen. It was up to Shanahan to decide how do best make use of Allen and his resources.

Allen is not to blame for anything.
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Old 12-31-2013, 02:49 PM   #62
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Didnt Allen accept some of that blame yesterday and stated some changes. You didnt see someone close lip, but someone who stood up, took a little blame and talked about the future. Another difference between Vinny and Bruce. Leadership. I really dont see, how you dont see.
Leaders lead, they don't accept figurehead positions where they have no say. Allen is merely an Emperor without clothes that's taking the wrap for god knows what. As far as I am concerned he is just another guy on the payroll so Snyder can say "Look, I am not the GM, we have a GM!"
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I never heard him say anything to that effect.
" We are going to redefine some of the characteristics that we’re looking for in players. Obviously when we have a new head coach, there will be some schematic adjustments that we will make. But that power will be with me.”

That sounds to me like they have already made schematic decisions, and I just don't get that, what coach would come in knowing he had little say over the scheme they run? Sounds like a Zorn situation to me.
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" We are going to redefine some of the characteristics that we’re looking for in players. Obviously when we have a new head coach, there will be some schematic adjustments that we will make. But that power will be with me.”

That sounds to me like they have already made schematic decisions, and I just don't get that, what coach would come in knowing he had little say over the scheme they run? Sounds like a Zorn situation to me.
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I see that yes, but redefining the characteristics of players recruited has EVERYTHING to do with scheme.
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You clearly have no knowledge of how the Redskins front office worked under Shanahan. I would draw you an org structure but this isn't MS Word.

Shanahan reported to Snyder. Allen reported to Shanahan. Campbell and Brown reported to Allen.

All personnel decisions were made by Mike. Salary cap functions, scouting functions, non-football operations and alumni relations were handled by Allen. It was up to Shanahan to decide how do best make use of Allen and his resources.

Allen is not to blame for anything.
I am merely puzzled what's his purpose? Is he the GM? What kind of retarded management structure is that? Who is the baby and who is the bathwater?

My firm belief is that Snyder created this miserable structure for a reason. Why?
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"Obviously when we have a new head coach, there will be some schematic adjustments that we will make. But that power will be with me.”

I don't know whats so hard to understand. A new coach comes in with a new scheme will want players that fit his scheme best. How does that sound like we've already made schematic changes???? He stating the obvious. A new coach = a new scheme.
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" We are going to redefine some of the characteristics that we’re looking for in players. Obviously when we have a new head coach, there will be some schematic adjustments that we will make. But that power will be with me.”

That sounds to me like they have already made schematic decisions, and I just don't get that, what coach would come in knowing he had little say over the scheme they run? Sounds like a Zorn situation to me.
I think that's a blatant misread on your part. He is saying that there will be a new coach and that coach will have a scheme in mind. But the power to pick the players (part of his statement that came before the part you quoted) lies with him.

He is definitely not saying he will pick the scheme and make a coach adhere to it. That would be ridiculous and frankly I can't even believe I'm entertaining this discussion.
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Also, who is the "we" he is speaking of when he says they are redefining characteristics? Is it a Royal we? Is it he and Snyder? Or is it he, Brown, and Campbell?

And in any of these cases, why should HE be part of that decision? He is not a personnel guy?

And why would they make these changes without even knowing the scheme of their next head coach?
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I am merely puzzled what's his purpose? Is he the GM? What kind of retarded management structure is that? Who is the baby and who is the bathwater?

My firm believe is that Snyder created this miserable structure for a reason. Why?
He was not a GM in the traditional sense. He had no control over player personnel. It was a Bill Parcells, Jimmy Johnson, I-buy-the-groceries-and-cook-the-dinner model.

Snyder hired Allen with a true GM model in mind, but to get Shanahan to sign on the dotted line he had to give him full control. That rendered Allen's true GM role useless, so Snyder had him doing other things.

Now Snyder has given Allen true GM power with player personnel decisions.
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I see that yes, but redefining the characteristics of players recruited has EVERYTHING to do with scheme.
I think he meant that he's going to trust what Morocco & Scott tell him and draft/sign FA's with their input as opposed to going to Shanny for final say.

I'm sure they aren't going to recruit players before they know what scheme the new HC will be running. That's completely retarded.
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Also, who is the "we" he is speaking of when he says they are redefining characteristics? Is it a Royal we? Is it he and Snyder? Or is it he, Brown, and Campbell?

And in any of these cases, why should HE be part of that decision? He is not a personnel guy?

And why would they make these changes without even knowing the scheme of their next head coach?
You're not allowed to talk anymore. Go back and study harder for the reading comprehension component of the SAT.
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Old 12-31-2013, 02:59 PM   #73
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Well maybe it is a misread on my part, but if he meant that once they have a new coach they will redefine the players they're going after, why not say that?

Instead he said we will redefine and yeah of course a new coach will want to make schematic changes, but I make the decisions.
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you're not allowed to talk anymore. Go back and study harder for the reading comprehension component of the sat.
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" We are going to redefine some of the characteristics that we’re looking for in players. Obviously when we have a new head coach, there will be some schematic adjustments that we will make. But that power will be with me.”

That sounds to me like they have already made schematic decisions, and I just don't get that, what coach would come in knowing he had little say over the scheme they run? Sounds like a Zorn situation to me.
With the bolded statement BA is saying that he will follow the preferences of a new head coach, not override those preferences. Your worry there is misplaced in BA's own words.

Look at it this way: Shanahan has unique tastes in linemen. We do not have to cater to those tastes any more, regardless of who the next coach is. I think this is what BA was trying to say.
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