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Old 02-03-2014, 10:58 AM   #376
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I think the main reason I was for Seattle in the Superbowl was all of the talk weeks before the Superbowl of "if Peyton Manning wins this super bowl he will be seen as the greatest QB of all time."
That is stupid. Not to mention how much that jinxed Manning.
I am tired of today's pass happy fans and media that do not understand the only reason all of these passing records are being broken is because of the rule changes created by the NFL in the last 10-20 years to promote passing (ratings), like you can not touch a receiver after 2.5 yards from line of scrimmage and many others to protect the Qb.
Individual stats and records are not big deal when you are throwing the more than any one ever has in the history of the game. Or that your teams is so one dimensional that you lose the big game. Winning Superbowl's trumps all individual stats and records.
10-20, more like 35 years or so. It was the 1978 season where they made the head slap illegal. I remember the specific time because I was playing High School ball and most those type rules followed the pros. They also changed the way they called holding and illegal use of hands. 1977 and before a defender could hit a blocker in the head while the blocker had to keep his hands close to his jersey. Most O-lineman were coached to grab their own jersey while blocking to prevent being flagged. Also starting in 1978 you were only allowed to contact a receiver once, but still you could knock him down anywhere on the field as long as the ball wasn't in the air.

Do to these evolving rule changes favoring the offense you can only compare quarterbacks against their peers that played in the exact same time period. Quarterbacks were not protected if they stayed in the pocket back when Sonny Jurgensen played, roughing the passer was rarely called and you could hit them in the head, clothesline them and horse collar them. A 37 year old immobile Peyton Manning would have been watching the Super Bowl from a hospital bed or a wheelchair if the 2013 season was played under rules of the "dead ball" era. He probably would not have lasted 4 games.

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Old 02-03-2014, 11:02 AM   #377
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Calling him a game manager probably isn't fair, but fact is they don't ask him to do a ton because of their strong running game and D. It's obviously a smart way to go given the results.
I think that the biggest reason for the Broncos performance last night is that they just dont see those kinds of teams in the AFC. The top AFC teams have traditional pocket passers on O and IMO they didnt see a D as tough and fast as Seat all season. It really showed last night.
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I think that the biggest reason for the Broncos performance last night is that they just dont see those kinds of teams in the AFC. The top AFC teams have traditional pocket passers on O and IMO they didnt see a D as tough and fast as Seat all season. It really showed last night.
If you look at a lot of defensive statistics, the majority of the top 10 teams were NFC teams. I think the NFC field stronger defenses than the AFC this season.
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Old 02-03-2014, 11:09 AM   #379
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A game manager is when the QB is not asked to carry his team but is just asked to not lose the game for the team with interceptions or other stupid mistakes. Which is pretty much what the Seahawks ask of Wilson. He had 94 yards passing when the score was 29-0. With 16 of those 29 points coming from the defense or special teams.

Im not here to criticize Russell Wilson, because his team doesnt ask him to win games for them. He is doing what his coaches ask of him. And Russell, being as smart as he is, knows he doesnt have to score every drive for that team to win so he doesnt press it.

When your defense and special teams outscore the number 1 offense in a game, then just about any decent QB would win that game. Is the country calling him a great QB if he played on a team with a bad defense?
8 4th Quarter comebacks, 10 game winning drives

Russell Wilson's Career 4th quarter comebacks and game-winning drives - Pro-Football-Reference.com


2 years in the league, Superbowl winning QB

I actually think he would be considered a much better QB if not over shadowed by such a great defense.
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Old 02-03-2014, 11:17 AM   #380
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I respectfully because disagree Montana is the man.
JM one of the all time greats , but he was 0-3 vs NY in postseason , 85-90 . In those three games , SF score 1 td . Montana had HOF's around him , Rice , Clark , R. Craig and Coach Walsh . Denver and Miami had no running game and weak Defenses . I do agree with you , Joey T is the man ...... or Joe Cool .
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8 4th Quarter comebacks, 10 game winning drives

Russell Wilson's Career 4th quarter comebacks and game-winning drives - Pro-Football-Reference.com


2 years in the league, Superbowl winning QB

I actually think he would be considered a much better QB if not over shadowed by such a great defense.
This is an interesting article about the 2012 QB draft. Wilson"s projections blow every QB in that draft away but because of changes in the program he played in they didnt really trust the calculation. It appears that the calculation wasnt too far off.

FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | Lewin Career Forecast 2012
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8 4th Quarter comebacks, 10 game winning drives

Russell Wilson's Career 4th quarter comebacks and game-winning drives - Pro-Football-Reference.com


2 years in the league, Superbowl winning QB

I actually think he would be considered a much better QB if not over shadowed by such a great defense.
Of those 8 4th quarter comebacks, in 2 of those games he had 0 TD passes for the game (one of which he had 123 total passing yards with an int and a completion % under 50%), and in 1, he threw an int in the end zone that was called a TD by replacement refs.

Take away that defense, and I dont believe that he is a SB winning QB.
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10-20, more like 35 years or so. It was the 1978 season where they made the head slap illegal. I remember the specific time because I was playing High School ball and most those type rules followed the pros. They also changed the way they called holding and illegal use of hands. 1977 and before a defender could hit a blocker in the head while the blocker had to keep his hands close to his jersey. Most O-lineman were coached to grab their own jersey while blocking to prevent being flagged. Also starting in 1978 you were only allowed to contact a receiver once, but still you could knock him down anywhere on the field as long as the ball wasn't in the air.

Do to these evolving rule changes favoring the offense you can only compare quarterbacks against their peers that played in the exact same time period. Quarterbacks were not protected if they stayed in the pocket back when Sonny Jurgensen played, roughing the passer was rarely called and you could hit them in the head, clothesline them and horse collar them. A 37 year old immobile Peyton Manning would have been watching the Super Bowl from a hospital bed or a wheelchair if the 2013 season was played under rules of the "dead ball" era. He probably would not have lasted 4 games.
Today's young fans and media don't get it. They throw around "greatest of all time" and they do not understand how much the rule changes favored today's QB's and receivers. It is not the same game. Not even close.
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This is an interesting article about the 2012 QB draft. Wilson"s projections blow every QB in that draft away but because of changes in the program he played in they didnt really trust the calculation. It appears that the calculation wasnt too far off.

FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | Lewin Career Forecast 2012
Nice link. I like the 3rd to last comment(145) in reference to the last sentence of the Wilson blurp: "moot indeed....moot indeed."
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Old 02-03-2014, 11:47 AM   #385
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Today's young fans and media don't get it. They throw around "greatest of all time" and they do not understand how much the rule changes favored today's QB's and receivers. It is not the same game. Not even close.
I don't understand why the older guys in the media especially ex-players don't explain how the changes effected the game. Every other Redskin game I am working in my shop listening to the radio broadcast that Sonny Jurgensen is on. The only reference he makes to his playing days is when Griffin rips off a nice run he says "Just like I use to" (Sarcastically of course).

Believe it or not on the 49er Webzone where I came from the young guys actually think the QBs of days gone by were terrible and that "modern science" and evolution (Laughable, noticeable evolution in 40 years?) are the reason that 10 guys a year pass for more than 4,000 yards.
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I don't understand why the older guys in the media especially ex-players don't explain how the changes effected the game. Every other Redskin game I am working in my shop listening to the radio broadcast that Sonny Jurgensen is on. The only reference he makes to his playing days is when Griffin rips off a nice run he says "Just like I use to" (Sarcastically of course).

Believe it or not on the 49er Webzone where I came from the young guys actually think the QBs of days gone by were terrible and that "modern science" and evolution (Laughable, noticeable evolution in 40 years?) are the reason that 10 guys a year pass for more than 4,000 yards.
You hit a home run with that statement. I could not agree more.
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Sour grapes.

Carroll is heavily involved in personnel. He hired the GM there and has total control.

Total sour grapes, but i didnt like him before they won last nite. I didnt like him at usc.
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I don't get how anyone can't like Pete Carroll. The guy is 62 years old, has the energy of a 30 year old, he sets the tone with competition, let's his players be themselves and obviously can coach. Is there anyone else who's won a national championship and a Super Bowl?

Captain Kangaroo was old and full of energy too and i didnt like him either.
Seriously Its nothing personal, obviously i dont know the guy - but something about him has always just rubbed me the wrong way.
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I don't get how anyone can't like Pete Carroll. The guy is 62 years old, has the energy of a 30 year old, he sets the tone with competition, let's his players be themselves and obviously can coach. Is there anyone else who's won a national championship and a Super Bowl?
Didn't Jimmy Johnson?
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Didn't Jimmy Johnson?
Don't forget Barry Switzer too. Although given the team we root for, it's easy to see why most people here would forget.
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