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Old 03-29-2005, 05:00 PM   #16
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Last year I must say, my man Greg Williams showed me many things. Yea, I loved the Jail break stuff too! He showed he could develope a killer No-Name D. He and his D kept us in every game. Most of all, he showed me he knows what he's doing. I believe in him enough to make the right moves
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Old 03-29-2005, 05:19 PM   #17
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Fact? I don't know about that, you may be right DHS but I wouldn't say it's a lock by no means, personally I think V. Jackson will be better over all, but I can't deny that I feel Williams will be a tremendous asset in the red zone, he has the best hands in college, and maybe in the NFL once he arrives.

I have seen a few people moving Jackson to TE which wouldn't be suprising with his size.
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Old 03-29-2005, 05:30 PM   #18
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By reading what you wrote it makes me believe that you think Smoot was the main reason we were one of the top Defenses in the league??? You think he is worth 7 spots statiscally...NO WAY.

Also, what do you think people were saying when we let go of Champ and Fred "Country" Smoot had to fill his shoes?? I bet it wasn't pretty. I say we will be solid. For sure top 10.

Dont sleep on Lavar making a difference, and dont' sleep on a second year Sean Taylor, and don't sleep on Bowen coming back!
That's right, I think Smoot coupled with a few more factors will drop our defense. First of all, defensive rankings are ranked on total yards. I expect our offense to produce at least a bit more this year. That means that the opposing team will have longer fields to drive. Which means they will have a chance to accumulate more yards.

Second of all, when Champ left we brought in a guy who had a great season. I feel Springs and Griffen MAY have had career seasons. I don't know if they can replicate the same type of intensity. Be it through injury, or not having the drive. Both of those players had that problem where they were before. I also feel that if we start Bowen full time we're going to be opposed in coverage a lot. The only thing Bowen's good for is knocking Trung out in practice.

I feel our defense will slip, those are just some possible reasons why. Let's not forget that our friend LaVar isn't exactly the most fundamental player ever. So he's been known to overrun a play or a dozen in a game.

We have questionmarks at CB, MLB, RDE, and to a lesser extent, SS. While I think Greg Williams (and our D coordinator/dline coach who never gets credit, Blache) have done an amazing job, I feel that our defense WILL slip a bit and could be out of the top 10.

I hope I'm wrong, but I can definitely see it happening.

So no - it's not just Smoot. But he's a big part of it.
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Old 03-29-2005, 05:45 PM   #19
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well the past Greg williams defense hasn't fell yet. Thats the bills who are #2 in the league, so I think we might even get better.
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Old 03-29-2005, 06:02 PM   #20
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That could certainly happen, diehard. I'm just saying I think they'll fall off. Possibly out of the top 10, I think we'll have a pretty good and exciting defense. We may be ranked lower but get more turnovers/scores.
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Old 03-29-2005, 06:06 PM   #21
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You have to think, this is long term.
Springs and Harris are old...
in order to build we need to draft to fill what our potential needs will be
a year or 2 from now. Thats how the Eagles do it.
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Old 03-29-2005, 06:17 PM   #22
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I have seen a few people moving Jackson to TE which wouldn't be suprising with his size.
Many people say the same thing about Mike Williams. That's why he went to USC over FLorida. Florida wanted him to be a TE.
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Old 03-29-2005, 07:13 PM   #23
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That means that the opposing team will have longer fields to drive. Which means they will have a chance to accumulate more yards.

Or conversely and more likely our D will force a lot of three and outs, or take aways and score and our offense will have better success on their drives. I see no reason why our D would drop off. Look who'll be coming back.
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Old 03-29-2005, 07:37 PM   #24
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diehardskin:

Look I think Greg Williams is an outstanding DC, but your argument that the Bills had the #2 defense last year argues against Williams being the reason they are great.

Williams left the Bills and the defense there got better. They weren't #2 while he was there! So somehow, the defense got a lot better when he left town. That's not much of an endorsement for him as "Defensive Coordinator of the Year".
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Old 03-29-2005, 09:03 PM   #25
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I have to disagree SC, the Bills were able to keep and build upon the foundation that Williams left, there's no denying that he was the catalist behind their core philosophy on defense, in fact I believe it is a tell that we will be even better on D this year with our players having a year under their belts under Williams.
Didn't Williams d-coordinator protoge say there in Buffalo? I remember Williams trying to get his guy to come with him but couldn't do it. I believe that Buffalo has stayed with Williams defense that was taught to a defensive coordinator that remains.
Williams has taken a Redskins defense that made me throw things at my TV and turned them into one of the best in the league in one season (even while losing "the best" cornerback to Denver and half the starting defense to injury.
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Old 03-29-2005, 10:46 PM   #26
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Well - with a blitzing scheme there's often a lot less time that a CB has to cover, but Harris is a huge downgrade from Smoot, no matter what anyone says! That's why I feel our defense could drop out of the top 10 this year.
I know we are going to be in the top 10 as long as we don't get as many injuries as last year and i remember that harris and wilds were in there against moss and we did fine! i know we will hurt w/o smoot but the people we get back from injuries cancels that out. I would rather have bowen arrington barrow and daniels in there rather than what we had this year with smoot and pierce. them leaving WILL NOT push us out of the top ten i will make any sort of bet w/ u that we will be in the top 10, friendly or money $$

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Old 03-29-2005, 11:14 PM   #27
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I see a lot of people are interested in bolstering our defensive line. Going into the season we have Wynn - Griffen - (noble/salava'e rotation) - Daniels. This line isn't star-studded by any means. Griffen played amazing ball last year, I doubt he can keep that up but I hope so. Wynn is constantly solid. Noble/Salavae'a did a great job in my opinion. Always a fresh person in there and played hard. Daniels we haven't seen, but I think he could be good.

We don't have any top tier pass rushers there, but I'm willing to say we don't need any. Not only are great DEs some of the most expensive players to pay, they are some of the hardest to find consistantly in the draft. Williams brings pressure from everywhere and anywhere. With the blitzers we have in Springs, Arringon, Taylor, Bowen, and Washington is it really necessary to be able to creat havoc with our front four? Not only that, do you want to see us rushing only four and dropping back into coverage?

Personally, I love the jaillbreak blitzes Williams runs. They're exciting, they're fun to watch, and they can force other teams into mistakes. While I wouldn't mind having a stud on the defensive line, I don't feel it's worth the high draft pick and/or the salary one would command. We have a great blitzing team as is now. The line in it's current form seems to do their job of occupying blockers and playing pretty damn solid against the run. I think we have much bigger needs to spend our cash on!

wow, i always see a dumb post, and its you, lol

DE is a huge peice of the D puzzle we are missing, and should be addressed. i love the blitzing style of williams myself, but having a pressure front four makes us #1 D in the league hands down. we need a DE speed rusher w/o using lbs... its common sense deutsche.... i mean daseal
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Old 03-29-2005, 11:20 PM   #28
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wow, i always see a dumb post, and its you, lol

DE is a huge peice of the D puzzle we are missing, and should be addressed. i love the blitzing style of williams myself, but having a pressure front four makes us #1 D in the league hands down. we need a DE speed rusher w/o using lbs... its common sense deutsche.... i mean daseal
Tell it like it is my brother!

We need a better line on Defense and that would componsate for smoots leaving.

I wanted brown and i am not gonna say i didn't just because damn champ got him to go to Denver. i hate denver. outside our division it goes denver minnosota then the ravens.
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Old 03-30-2005, 12:05 AM   #29
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DE is a huge peice of the D puzzle we are missing, and should be addressed. i love the blitzing style of williams myself, but having a pressure front four makes us #1 D in the league hands down. we need a DE speed rusher w/o using lbs... its common sense deutsche.... i mean daseal
I'm glad you could make it personal, cock.

Every team has one good Dline player - ours is Griffen. Chargers made it far without shit besides Jamal Williams, Colts have no one but Freeney, Steelers - the #1 defense have Chris Hoke as their best Dline player.

However, the Saints have Charles Grant and Darren Howard, Carolina has Kris Jenkins and Julius Peppers (Kris was hurt part of the year), Marcus Stroud and John Henderson played very well for the Jags, Chicago has Ogun and Alex Brown with Tommy Harris in the middle. Boy did those lines really put them right in the thick of the playoffs!

Defensive line and passrushing means nothing. If the defensive line stops the run, Williams system caters to letting the linebackers, and DB's blitz.

If you don't like my opinion, don't read my fucking posts. I'm sorry I don't have unrelenting optomism like the rest of you, but I haven't once brought a personal attack onto someone I disagree with. This site is for speculation, and until I'm proven wrong, I'm just as right as anyone as far as next season concerned. In closing, fuck off.
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Old 03-30-2005, 12:32 AM   #30
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I wish I had paid attention to this thread earlier tonight, hopefully this isn't going to turn into another ugly thread that we have to lock

Look, it's one thing to disagree with Daseal. We've all done it at one point or another. But there's no need to resort to making it personal and calling him names.

And Daseal, I can completely understand why you got frustrated and responded the way you did but next time (and this applies to everyone) try to just swallow your pride and "walk away" Let the moderators take care of things when they start to get ugly. That's why we're here.
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