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Old 03-29-2005, 10:03 PM   #31
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Re: D-Line.

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I have to disagree SC, the Bills were able to keep and build upon the foundation that Williams left, there's no denying that he was the catalist behind their core philosophy on defense, in fact I believe it is a tell that we will be even better on D this year with our players having a year under their belts under Williams.
Didn't Williams d-coordinator protoge say there in Buffalo? I remember Williams trying to get his guy to come with him but couldn't do it. I believe that Buffalo has stayed with Williams defense that was taught to a defensive coordinator that remains.
Williams has taken a Redskins defense that made me throw things at my TV and turned them into one of the best in the league in one season (even while losing "the best" cornerback to Denver and half the starting defense to injury.
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Old 03-29-2005, 11:46 PM   #32
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Well - with a blitzing scheme there's often a lot less time that a CB has to cover, but Harris is a huge downgrade from Smoot, no matter what anyone says! That's why I feel our defense could drop out of the top 10 this year.
I know we are going to be in the top 10 as long as we don't get as many injuries as last year and i remember that harris and wilds were in there against moss and we did fine! i know we will hurt w/o smoot but the people we get back from injuries cancels that out. I would rather have bowen arrington barrow and daniels in there rather than what we had this year with smoot and pierce. them leaving WILL NOT push us out of the top ten i will make any sort of bet w/ u that we will be in the top 10, friendly or money $$

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Old 03-30-2005, 12:14 AM   #33
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I see a lot of people are interested in bolstering our defensive line. Going into the season we have Wynn - Griffen - (noble/salava'e rotation) - Daniels. This line isn't star-studded by any means. Griffen played amazing ball last year, I doubt he can keep that up but I hope so. Wynn is constantly solid. Noble/Salavae'a did a great job in my opinion. Always a fresh person in there and played hard. Daniels we haven't seen, but I think he could be good.

We don't have any top tier pass rushers there, but I'm willing to say we don't need any. Not only are great DEs some of the most expensive players to pay, they are some of the hardest to find consistantly in the draft. Williams brings pressure from everywhere and anywhere. With the blitzers we have in Springs, Arringon, Taylor, Bowen, and Washington is it really necessary to be able to creat havoc with our front four? Not only that, do you want to see us rushing only four and dropping back into coverage?

Personally, I love the jaillbreak blitzes Williams runs. They're exciting, they're fun to watch, and they can force other teams into mistakes. While I wouldn't mind having a stud on the defensive line, I don't feel it's worth the high draft pick and/or the salary one would command. We have a great blitzing team as is now. The line in it's current form seems to do their job of occupying blockers and playing pretty damn solid against the run. I think we have much bigger needs to spend our cash on!

wow, i always see a dumb post, and its you, lol

DE is a huge peice of the D puzzle we are missing, and should be addressed. i love the blitzing style of williams myself, but having a pressure front four makes us #1 D in the league hands down. we need a DE speed rusher w/o using lbs... its common sense deutsche.... i mean daseal
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Old 03-30-2005, 12:20 AM   #34
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wow, i always see a dumb post, and its you, lol

DE is a huge peice of the D puzzle we are missing, and should be addressed. i love the blitzing style of williams myself, but having a pressure front four makes us #1 D in the league hands down. we need a DE speed rusher w/o using lbs... its common sense deutsche.... i mean daseal
Tell it like it is my brother!

We need a better line on Defense and that would componsate for smoots leaving.

I wanted brown and i am not gonna say i didn't just because damn champ got him to go to Denver. i hate denver. outside our division it goes denver minnosota then the ravens.
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Old 03-30-2005, 01:05 AM   #35
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DE is a huge peice of the D puzzle we are missing, and should be addressed. i love the blitzing style of williams myself, but having a pressure front four makes us #1 D in the league hands down. we need a DE speed rusher w/o using lbs... its common sense deutsche.... i mean daseal
I'm glad you could make it personal, cock.

Every team has one good Dline player - ours is Griffen. Chargers made it far without shit besides Jamal Williams, Colts have no one but Freeney, Steelers - the #1 defense have Chris Hoke as their best Dline player.

However, the Saints have Charles Grant and Darren Howard, Carolina has Kris Jenkins and Julius Peppers (Kris was hurt part of the year), Marcus Stroud and John Henderson played very well for the Jags, Chicago has Ogun and Alex Brown with Tommy Harris in the middle. Boy did those lines really put them right in the thick of the playoffs!

Defensive line and passrushing means nothing. If the defensive line stops the run, Williams system caters to letting the linebackers, and DB's blitz.

If you don't like my opinion, don't read my fucking posts. I'm sorry I don't have unrelenting optomism like the rest of you, but I haven't once brought a personal attack onto someone I disagree with. This site is for speculation, and until I'm proven wrong, I'm just as right as anyone as far as next season concerned. In closing, fuck off.
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Old 03-30-2005, 01:32 AM   #36
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Re: D-Line.

I wish I had paid attention to this thread earlier tonight, hopefully this isn't going to turn into another ugly thread that we have to lock

Look, it's one thing to disagree with Daseal. We've all done it at one point or another. But there's no need to resort to making it personal and calling him names.

And Daseal, I can completely understand why you got frustrated and responded the way you did but next time (and this applies to everyone) try to just swallow your pride and "walk away" Let the moderators take care of things when they start to get ugly. That's why we're here.
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Old 03-30-2005, 01:45 AM   #37
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I've taken a lot of swipes from some of the newer members who I guess don't like my view on the skins. I've been able to contain myself up until the 10 hour homework binge I call Tuesday. I shouldn't have lashed out as such, but I'm all for playful kidding and I get it a lot. That's fine. It totally seperate when someone (who rarely has anything constructive to actually add) comes in and makes comments which are personal and have no bearing on the board - I'll only tolerate so much of it without responding. Either way - this is the last I'll say on the topic.
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Old 03-30-2005, 02:28 AM   #38
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Re: D-Line.

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wow, i always see a dumb post, and its you, lol

DE is a huge peice of the D puzzle we are missing, and should be addressed. i love the blitzing style of williams myself, but having a pressure front four makes us #1 D in the league hands down. we need a DE speed rusher w/o using lbs... its common sense deutsche.... i mean daseal

We didn't need it last year and with Arrington back we should be better, the only reason we didn't finish #1 is because our offense left our defense on the field for 2/3rd's of every game, I will guarentee you Williams will pressure and sack the QB more than most teams this upcoming season with out a big name pass rusher, I would like you to name the bonified pass rusher coming out of college that will be lets say just a 10 sack player? Drafting a DE doesn't mean he will dominate opposing tackles.

Common sense? How did the Giants in there SB years pressure the QB? With LB's. How do the Patriots who have won 3 of the last 4 SB's pressure the QB? Seymour is their big time DE, and he has totaled 21 sacks in 4 years not exactly a sack machine.

There are many defensive schemes, and the fact is there are very few dominating DE's, so to design a defense to pressure the QB with our LB's and safeties is the smart thing to do, it is much more confusing for the QB.

Anyone would like a big time DE, but unless your saying that either Merriman or Arasmus Jones are big time DE's [because most say they are undersized to be considered true DE's] then they will be used as pass rushing specialists [because we don't want them getting blown off the ball on running plays], where they use their speed not their power, and if that's the case there isn't much difference between our LB's who all are probably faster than either 1 of the 2.

So how do you address the DE problem?

I know Williams addresses it with our LB's and safeties.
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Old 03-30-2005, 03:39 AM   #39
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Yea as Daseal stated gm's are speculating where to play either Williams, or Jackson, they are not used to seeing men of their size playing WR, I believe these 2 will be the culmination of a trend we are starting to see in the NFL of the big reciever, they will be the hybrids of the new era. I saw both of their combine workouts and Jackson runs better than Williams, I was very impressed for a man of his size.
I agree that we should take a look at V. Jackson, but my fear is that he will be gone by the time we get to pick again after the first round. Jackson had a really good combine workout and not just his 40 time either. I think that he would be a great redzone threat. Also having that size he probably is not that bad at making downfield blocks too!!
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Old 03-30-2005, 04:41 AM   #40
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I've taken a lot of swipes from some of the newer members who I guess don't like my view on the skins. I've been able to contain myself up until the 10 hour homework binge I call Tuesday. I shouldn't have lashed out as such, but I'm all for playful kidding and I get it a lot. That's fine. It totally seperate when someone (who rarely has anything constructive to actually add) comes in and makes comments which are personal and have no bearing on the board - I'll only tolerate so much of it without responding. Either way - this is the last I'll say on the topic.
i am a new comer and i can't speak for all of us but i respect your opinions and if you feel offended you can tell me i just think u like smoot a little too much but i read all of your threads that i see which i don't do for everyone
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Old 03-30-2005, 04:49 AM   #41
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now lets all sing cum by ya and think about how all of our troubles will go away when we are winning. We are all just frustrated, thats it frustrated b/c we haven't been to the playoffs since 99' so lets join hands and pray
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Old 03-30-2005, 07:27 AM   #42
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Let's keep something in mind. Last year we had a solidly ranked defense and this is with an offence that was well in a word putrid, especially when Brunnell was taking the snaps behind center. I think the offence should improve dramatically this year, especially the o-line. If we get a serious old-school Burgund-n-Gold running game going...look out NFC.
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Old 03-30-2005, 09:42 AM   #43
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If we bring back the same exact lineup on the defensive line I won't be disappointed at all. They were a very solid unit last year, and hopefully Daniels can stay healthy and give us a bit of a pass rush.
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Old 03-30-2005, 12:04 PM   #44
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Am I the only one that remembers the D Line being projected as being a revolving door? The media was saying last season would be awful because we had no one on that D-Line.

We'll be better than last season, we haven't lost anyone that was a critical component.
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Old 03-30-2005, 12:42 PM   #45
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my bad for the negative feedback daseal, you just have moronic posts... "now dont take it personal" its your football knowledge, not you as a person....

and offiss, lol, i think you fall under the same category of knowledge, but its just MO... "dont take it personal" ... the giants had marshall at DE that corrupted OT's with LT which was a DE most of the time... if you actually watch the games back then, you would see parcells using a 5-2 D... with marshall and LT on opposite sides. LT just didnt come out of stance, but was on the line majority of the time, whether he rushed or fell into coverage
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