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Old 03-30-2005, 11:20 AM   #16
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Personally I prefer an accurate story rather than a "scoop" full of untruths.
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Old 03-30-2005, 11:58 AM   #17
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Just kiddin Daseal. But what good is getting a scoop if it's not accurate? I'd rather not read anything than read stuff that's wrong. I appreciate the effort in trying to bring info to the fans, but you don't build much journalistic integrity if you're often wrong.

And sure, we try to get the scoop just like these reporters do. But since the reporters get paid and we don't, I think they should have to be accurate.
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Old 03-30-2005, 12:13 PM   #18
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An interesting interview in many ways. It seems to me that Snyder takes several not so veiled jabs at the "media" - aka The Post. I had always understood that - from the quality of the stories, the lack of sources other than players, and a news blurb somewhere (ESPN ??) that the Skins only dealt with the Post - the Washington Times did not have the media access that the Post did. I cannot remember the last time there was any report from Snyder or anyone from the FO in the Times - it always seemed like they got their news second hand. I wonder if their is some other dynamic working here - Post not playing Snyder's lap dog and the Snyder going to the Times to tell "his side".

All in all - an interesting interview. It did seem to ignore the accusations that Snyder undercut some of his coaches by dealing directly with players he liked and Snyder sort of glossed over the Schottenheimer firing. Other than that, however, very interesting and informative.

I cannot remember many stories that the Times scoops the Post. The most glaring indictment of the Times came the night before my Mom died and HOF Coach Gibbs was hired. I knew at 1:00 a.m. (Hospital i-net connection) and the Post had the story. The Times was still reporting R. Rhodes and J. Fassel!

I read both every a.m., and without a doubt, the Times is a day behind!

This article is seemingly a first. It might not indicate a total flip-flop by LDS and the Redskins FO toward the Post however. If it was, then why have all of the Times articles still been a day late for the past two weeks?
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Old 03-30-2005, 12:23 PM   #19
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Let me see here. The Washington Times gets to do an interview with Danny Boy Snyder on an exclusive basis and writes a positive story. Everyone here takes that to mean that the Washington Times is the beacon of truth, justice and the American Way while the Post is part of an Evil Empire.

Folks, if Woodward and Bernstien had rolled over and gone paws-up for the Nixon Administration after the Watergate break-in just as the Times did with Danny Boy, Nixon would have finished out his presidency. If you think that article is hard-hitting investigative journalism, I don't suggest you enrol as a journalism major at Columbia! Let me say only that the interviewer/author probably needed a breath mint after that session...

I don't think Nunyo Demasio is particularly good as a beat reporter; I find his writing style dull; he's not nearly as good as Mark Maske was. But the scuttlebut is that the new sports editor at the Post thought that Maske was "getting a bit too cozy" with the Redskins and so he made the switch. Now Maske does general NFL beat reporting and not just the Skins. I have no idea if that actually was the case, but that is what is out there on the wire. So Demasio's "marching orders" are to remain at arm's length from the team and to be an objective reporter. That tends to motivate him to have some negative stuff in his stories - wouldn't want the boss to think he was getting too chummy with "the story" causing Demasio to be reassigned to covering DC United.

And by the way, Demasio was a lot closer to "right" than "wrong" about the Coles story. Until he broke it, everyone here on The Warpath was 100% convinced that Coles' foot would be better and he would be the Skins' #1 WR and catch 90-100 balls for the Skins next year. You may not like the outcome of Demasio's reporting there because it guaranteed that the end of the Coles/Redskins relatinship would be acrimonious and not something where compromise was likely to happen, but you can't say he didn't do a reporter's job in getting to the bottom of the story.

I'd be willing to wager that Joe Crisp would have gone with that story had he had the story back in early February. Of course Joe Crisp would have written better prose, but nonetheless, he would have run the story and run it hard!
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Old 03-30-2005, 01:09 PM   #20
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SC, you need to go and read the thread at extremeskins. Nunyo was flat out wrong on the Coles situation. He was the one who initially reported that the Redskins were PLANNING ON releasing Coles, but the team vehemently denied that, and they ended up trading him. No matter how you cut it, Nunyo was flat out wrong on that one.

I don't think releasing him was ever an option in their minds. They knew they weren't going to let him go for nothing.

I don't think this Dan Snyder interview is a matter of how accurate the story is. It's just interesting to note how sour the relationship has gotten between the team and the WP. You just know Snyder is going to the Times out of spite for the Post.
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Old 03-30-2005, 01:12 PM   #21
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Let me see here. The Washington Times gets to do an interview with Danny Boy Snyder on an exclusive basis and writes a positive story. Everyone here takes that to mean that the Washington Times is the beacon of truth, justice and the American Way while the Post is part of an Evil Empire.

Folks, if Woodward and Bernstien had rolled over and gone paws-up for the Nixon Administration after the Watergate break-in just as the Times did with Danny Boy, Nixon would have finished out his presidency. If you think that article is hard-hitting investigative journalism, I don't suggest you enrol as a journalism major at Columbia! Let me say only that the interviewer/author probably needed a breath mint after that session...
I don't see how anyone has said that the Washington Times is a beacon of truth, etc. We've simply criticized Nunyo for his inaccuracies and speculated that the Times might now have an edge over the Post in their relations with the Redskins.

The Post is a good paper and Nunyo isn't all that bad, but I think our criticism of Nunyo is valid and our speculation about the Post being on the outs with the Skins is well-founded.

The Skins have had several big tiffs with the Post over the last season or so. For example, the Post railed on the Skins' decision to add seats with partially-obstructed views. That criticism was justified, but it certainly didn't endear the Post to Snyder. The Post's story about the Coles situation angered a lot of people - including Snyder and Coles. Coles' agent reportedly was furious about the article and Coles said in a statement that the article pretty much determined his departure - he wanted out, but he didn't DEMAND getting out until the story broke. The Post's story wasn't even good reporting - it was replete with MAJOR inaccuracies and riddled with speculation.

Finally, the Post has begun to be more skeptical and pessimistic about recent changes to the franchise (from player personnel decisions on down). Again, that doesn't endear the Post to Snyder.

As to your contention that anyone who thinks the article represents "hard-hitting journalism" need not apply to the Columbia school of journalism, I don't think a story has to be "hard-hitting," cynical, Bill O'Reilly type journalism to be interesting, informative or good.

I think people are starting to get tired of journalists, commentators, etc. who make a living TRYING to muck-rake (especially if there's nothing to rake). We want commentators to be fair - deliver the good and the bad without the taint of sensationalistic pessimism (or optimism). You can't give voice to just the critics and say the optimists (i.e. Snyder) shouldn't have their say.

It's good for reporters to report about corruption, misdeeds, etc. but that's not ALL they should report. We went from "whatever the government says" in the 1950s to "the world is a dark place without any hope, everyone is evil, everything sucks" in the 1990s. Hopefully journalism will turn a new leaf in the 21st century.

I for one loved the article. Did I think it was "hard-hitting?" No, but it was still a good read.

In any event, that's my two cents.

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Old 03-30-2005, 01:20 PM   #22
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What will be and always is fun to watch is how all of the reporters, press, and fans jump on the band wagon when a losing team starts to win. I hope we can see that happen this year!!
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Chargers anyone?
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Old 03-30-2005, 01:28 PM   #24
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Perhaps the WT will become the Skins primary media outlet? The whole Nunyo/Coles story debacle had to have put a serious dent in Skins/WP relationship.
There was a time when Dan had banned the WT from the premises and starred blankly if they'd ask him a question. I was surprised by the source.
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Old 03-30-2005, 01:32 PM   #25
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I think we can all agree that Demasio has some serious deficiencies as an objective reporter. I tend to think Maske probably WAS a little too cozy and I think Demasio has sought to balance that by over compensating with negativity. I don't mind negative stories as long as they are accurate. It just seems that Demasio has consistently gone with stories with less than credible information and has been outright wrong on several occasions with regards to facts. Clearly the relationship on the whole with the Post has turned sour and that probably has affected his ability to access information. One issue not mentioned is the presence of Gibbs. Gibbs is notorious for saying anything whatsoever to the press. Gibbs ranks up there with Bush with the ability to talk and say absolutely nothing. The Ryan Clark situation looks like a seminal moment in the relationship.

If I were to speculate I would imagine that when Gibbs came aboard the newest directive for all football personel was to shut your face and let Gibbs do the talking. With the exception of Bugel(who he knew he could trust to say little beyond some meaningless 'guts' type references) nobody else did much talking. Then when they were on the fence whether to keep Clark or maybe an extra o-lineman it was well know among the press corp and eventually it made its way to Demasio as fact so he ran it. I would imagine he had little contact with anybody who really was in on the decision since he knew they were thinking about it so why question it? Once it ran and they had decided to keep Clark I would guess Gibbs went ape s%&* which in turn allowed Synder to be at his best in terms of being a first class asshole. Ever since both the Skins and Demasio/Post feel slighted and now they can't "just get along". This is all just speculation remember.

Demasio will be out as beat writer by this time next year if the relationship doesn't get better. The Post just can't afford to destroy a relationship with a team that is probably one of the most read subjects in the paper.
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Old 03-30-2005, 01:44 PM   #26
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I don't see how anyone has said that the Washington Times is a beacon of truth, etc. We've simply criticized Nunyo for his inaccuracies and speculated that the Times might now have an edge over the Post in their relations with the Redskins.

The Post is a good paper and Nunyo isn't all that bad, but I think our criticism of Nunyo is valid and our speculation about the Post being on the outs with the Skins is well-founded.

The Skins have had several big tiffs with the Post over the last season or so. For example, the Post railed on the Skins' decision to add seats with partially-obstructed views. That criticism was justified, but it certainly didn't endear the Post to Snyder. The Post's story about the Coles situation angered a lot of people - including Snyder and Coles. Coles' agent reportedly was furious about the article and Coles said in a statement that the article pretty much determined his departure - he wanted out, but he didn't DEMAND getting out until the story broke. The Post's story wasn't even good reporting - it was replete with MAJOR inaccuracies and riddled with speculation.

Finally, the Post has begun to be more skeptical and pessimistic about recent changes to the franchise (from player personnel decisions on down). Again, that doesn't endear the Post to Snyder.

As to your contention that anyone who thinks the article represents "hard-hitting journalism" need not apply to the Columbia school of journalism, I don't think a story has to be "hard-hitting," cynical, Bill O'Reilly type journalism to be interesting, informative or good.

I think people are starting to get tired of journalists, commentators, etc. who make a living TRYING to muck-rake (especially if there's nothing to rake). We want commentators to be fair - deliver the good and the bad without the taint of sensationalistic pessimism (or optimism). You can't give voice to just the critics and say the optimists (i.e. Snyder) shouldn't have their say.

It's good for reporters to report about corruption, misdeeds, etc. but that's not ALL they should report. We went from "whatever the government says" in the 1950s to "the world is a dark place without any hope, everyone is evil, everything sucks" in the 1990s. Hopefully journalism will turn a new leaf in the 21st century.

I for one loved the article. Did I think it was "hard-hitting?" No, but it was still a good read.

In any event, that's my two cents.
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I don't see how anyone has said that the Washington Times is a beacon of truth, etc. We've simply criticized Nunyo for his inaccuracies and speculated that the Times might now have an edge over the Post in their relations with the Redskins.

The Post is a good paper and Nunyo isn't all that bad, but I think our criticism of Nunyo is valid and our speculation about the Post being on the outs with the Skins is well-founded.

The Skins have had several big tiffs with the Post over the last season or so. For example, the Post railed on the Skins' decision to add seats with partially-obstructed views. That criticism was justified, but it certainly didn't endear the Post to Snyder. The Post's story about the Coles situation angered a lot of people - including Snyder and Coles. Coles' agent reportedly was furious about the article and Coles said in a statement that the article pretty much determined his departure - he wanted out, but he didn't DEMAND getting out until the story broke. The Post's story wasn't even good reporting - it was replete with MAJOR inaccuracies and riddled with speculation.

Finally, the Post has begun to be more skeptical and pessimistic about recent changes to the franchise (from player personnel decisions on down). Again, that doesn't endear the Post to Snyder.

As to your contention that anyone who thinks the article represents "hard-hitting journalism" need not apply to the Columbia school of journalism, I don't think a story has to be "hard-hitting," cynical, Bill O'Reilly type journalism to be interesting, informative or good.

I think people are starting to get tired of journalists, commentators, etc. who make a living TRYING to muck-rake (especially if there's nothing to rake). We want commentators to be fair - deliver the good and the bad without the taint of sensationalistic pessimism (or optimism). You can't give voice to just the critics and say the optimists (i.e. Snyder) shouldn't have their say.

It's good for reporters to report about corruption, misdeeds, etc. but that's not ALL they should report. We went from "whatever the government says" in the 1950s to "the world is a dark place without any hope, everyone is evil, everything sucks" in the 1990s. Hopefully journalism will turn a new leaf in the 21st century.

I for one loved the article. Did I think it was "hard-hitting?" No, but it was still a good read.

In any event, that's my two cents.
Thank you - well said.
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Old 03-30-2005, 02:02 PM   #28
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I amend a post I made earlier.

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Ramseyfan, nice post.
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Old 03-30-2005, 02:06 PM   #29
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Snyder uses the phrase "heading in the right direction" four times during the interview.
Sounds like he's trying too hard to convince us or is still trying to convince himself.
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Old 03-30-2005, 02:10 PM   #30
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Snyder uses the phrase "heading in the right direction" four times during the interview.
Sounds like he's trying too hard to convince us or is still trying to convince himself.
You don't think we ARE headed in the right direction?
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