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Old 04-24-2014, 04:31 PM   #76
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Our advantage is playing in a fairly mediocre division in the east. I think if you look just as the team's talent and depth, I think it exceeds the Cowboys and the Giants. Its comparable to Philly, and I give Philly a slight advantage. There is no reason to think we couldnt win the division if the defense plays better. Our Special teams will be better period. Coaching to me is our question mark. This team won the division 2 years ago, we can certainly finish over .500.
Its not a mediocre division its a lousy division and that definitely helps. Coaching is a huge question mark as is QB. What RG3 shows up this year? If its rookie year RG3 then I do think this team will finish above .500. If its last season's RG3 then 6 wins might be a stretch.

I really think in a lot of ways this is a make or break year for RG3. The injury is behind him and the knee brace is off, and its his 3rd year in the league, there are no more excuses. If, God forbid, he has another year like he did last year then it opens up a whole can of worms about him being a bust and the Skins gave away their future for a bust a QB and if there's one thing this team doesnt need its opening up another can of worms.
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Its not a mediocre division its a lousy division and that definitely helps. Coaching is a huge question mark as is QB. What RG3 shows up this year? If its rookie year RG3 then I do think this team will finish above .500. If its last season's RG3 then 6 wins might be a stretch.

I really think in a lot of ways this is a make or break year for RG3. The injury is behind him and the knee brace is off, and its his 3rd year in the league, there are no more excuses. If, God forbid, he has another year like he did last year then it opens up a whole can of worms about him being a bust and the Skins gave away their future for a bust a QB and if there's one thing this team doesnt need its opening up another can of worms.
I just don't get why people think Griffin will have a year like last year (and even if he did, he still was a quality caliber NFL qb, more like 15-20 than top 5-10). Clearly the first 4 games, regardless of hype, he just wasn't ready. And by the time he was, the rest of the team was in dysfunction mode.

I also don't think coaching is near the question mark that some make it out to be. I know it's arena league, but Gruden showed he is capable of managing a whole team effectively in it. We know he can run top NFL offenses, and he has a passion for the game (see Cincy Hard Knocks clip).

Put another way, if this core group, BA-JG-Griffin et all, don't get it done (by that I mean put a top caliber team on the field week in week out) then I don't have any clue how the Skins ever will.
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I just don't get why people think Griffin will have a year like last year (and even if he did, he still was a quality caliber NFL qb, more like 15-20 than top 5-10). Clearly the first 4 games, regardless of hype, he just wasn't ready. And by the time he was, the rest of the team was in dysfunction mode.



I also don't think coaching is near the question mark that some make it out to be. I know it's arena league, but Gruden showed he is capable of managing a whole team effectively in it. We know he can run top NFL offenses, and he has a passion for the game (see Cincy Hard Knocks clip).



Put another way, if this core group, BA-JG-Griffin et all, don't get it done (by that I mean put a top caliber team on the field week in week out) then I don't have any clue how the Skins ever will.

Imo Griff will have a good year. He is definitely healthy and he has plenty of weapons.
Not sure I would classify last year as a quality nfl qb 15-20. He was pretty bad. Accuracy was way off. I believe whole heartedly that his mechanics were off due to the injury however.
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Imo Griff will have a good year. He is definitely healthy and he has plenty of weapons.
Not sure I would classify last year as a quality nfl qb 15-20. He was pretty bad. Accuracy was way off. I believe whole heartedly that his mechanics were off due to the injury however.
See, early on he was bad, but most people saw definite improvement throughout the year until he was pulled. According to ProFootball Reference we had the 16th passing offense, and I doubt Cousins did anything to pull up that stat(so sad). That said last year he had:
60.1% completion rating
16TDs
12INT (this is where you see his accuracy was off)
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and an 82.2 passer rating. That's all minus 3 games, where I believe his play would have incrementally improved had he been in. (He also may have made a bonehead play trying to win a "meaningless" game, hopefully being benched gave him time to think about that aspect as well).

crazy stat, he threw for 3 yards more in 2013 than 2012 (3203 to 3200) and 4 less TD's (16 to 20) in 3 less games... Yes I know stats don't say everything, and I am NOT saying Griffin in 2013 was the same as 2012, but he didn't suddenly forget how to play football either.

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Sounds good my wife likes to partake in a little partying herself we should all get along fine. pm me when were a month or so away and well figure it out.
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I just don't get why people think Griffin will have a year like last year (and even if he did, he still was a quality caliber NFL qb, more like 15-20 than top 5-10). Clearly the first 4 games, regardless of hype, he just wasn't ready. And by the time he was, the rest of the team was in dysfunction mode.

I also don't think coaching is near the question mark that some make it out to be. I know it's arena league, but Gruden showed he is capable of managing a whole team effectively in it. We know he can run top NFL offenses, and he has a passion for the game (see Cincy Hard Knocks clip).

Put another way, if this core group, BA-JG-Griffin et all, don't get it done (by that I mean put a top caliber team on the field week in week out) then I don't have any clue how the Skins ever will.

Let's be real. Much of that production from RGIII last year came in garbage time. Those losses weren't all on him because the defense and special teams sucked some kind of bad. That sad, RGIII has to play much much better for us to break .500 this year.
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See, early on he was bad, but most people saw definite improvement throughout the year until he was pulled. According to ProFootball Reference we had the 16th passing offense, and I doubt Cousins did anything to pull up that stat(so sad). That said last year he had:

60.1% completion rating

16TDs

12INT (this is where you see his accuracy was off)

3200 yds

and an 82.2 passer rating. That's all minus 3 games, where I believe his play would have incrementally improved had he been in. (He also may have made a bonehead play trying to win a "meaningless" game, hopefully being benched gave him time to think about that aspect as well).



crazy stat, he threw for 3 yards more in 2013 than 2012 (3203 to 3200) and 4 less TD's (16 to 20) in 3 less games... Yes I know stats don't say everything, and I am NOT saying Griffin in 2013 was the same as 2012, but he didn't suddenly forget how to play football either.

You're way more into stats than me. What stats do not show you is missed reads, and indecision. I saw a ton of that last year. He was never comfortable or confident like he was two years ago. Either way I believe we will see ass kicking Griff again this year. HTTR!
Edit: I dont believe he forgot how to play either. I believe the injury / brace and missed pre season completely threw off his mechanics. The more the season spiraled out of control, the more he tried desperately to get back into form. It was just a doomed year. He will be fine.
Edit two : his accuracy being off I saw in a ton of throws. He was sailing the ball off his back foot all year.
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You're way more into stats than me. What stats do not show you is missed reads, and indecision. I saw a ton of that last year. He was never comfortable or confident like he was two years ago. Either way I believe we will see ass kicking Griff again this year. HTTR!
Edit: I dont believe he forgot how to play either. I believe the injury / brace and missed pre season completely threw off his mechanics. The more the season spiraled out of control, the more he tried desperately to get back into form. It was just a doomed year. He will be fine.
It's not that I am "into stats", but that is the only way to explain my position. Yes, his footwork and timing was off, he was not the 2012 Griffin, even as I said I wasn't saying he was better in 2013. But to say that, as the season progressed, he wasn't improving, or to say that he wasn't a middle of the road NFL caliber qb, is wrong, and the proof is in the numbers.

Put another way, imo, games 1-8 last year were very likely Griffin's floor as an NFL qb and it is doubtful that 2012 was his ceiling. There is zero reason in my mind to believe that with a full offseason that he should not be around 2012 form or better. He rolled the dreaded sophmore slump in with a ACL repair, and a dysfunctional team structure and managed to put up respectable, not elite, numbers.

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Let's be real. Much of that production from RGIII last year came in garbage time. Those losses weren't all on him because the defense and special teams sucked some kind of bad. That said, RGIII has to play much much better for us to break .500 this year
Nor am I arguing that his production was done in awesome form. My point of using stats is to simply say, the guy didn't suddenly have a non NFL caliber year. I don't care if it is garbage time, the defenses might be playing softer, but they are out there, and he was competing.

Yes he has to play better, we all agree on that, but my initial statements were directed toward irish and others who want to say " If, God forbid, he has another year like he did last year then it opens up a whole can of worms about him being a bust ". Even at last year's level, he wouldn't be a bust, but he wouldn't be the player we all want him to be.

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Sounds good my wife likes to partake in a little partying herself we should all get along fine. pm me when were a month or so away and well figure it out.
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Even at last year's level, he wouldn't be a bust, but he wouldn't be the player we all want him to be.

We traded away an awful lot to wind up with last years RG-3.

I completely agree that he will be back in form this year and if none of us ever talk about last year again it will be to soon! Lol
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I just don't get why people think Griffin will have a year like last year (and even if he did, he still was a quality caliber NFL qb, more like 15-20 than top 5-10). Clearly the first 4 games, regardless of hype, he just wasn't ready. And by the time he was, the rest of the team was in dysfunction mode.

I also don't think coaching is near the question mark that some make it out to be. I know it's arena league, but Gruden showed he is capable of managing a whole team effectively in it. We know he can run top NFL offenses, and he has a passion for the game (see Cincy Hard Knocks clip).

Put another way, if this core group, BA-JG-Griffin et all, don't get it done (by that I mean put a top caliber team on the field week in week out) then I don't have any clue how the Skins ever will.
The Skins didnt give up all those picks and mortgage their future for a 15-20 QB. I'm not sure they gave all that away for a 5-10 QB either. They did it to get a 1-3 QB and right now RG3 isnt close to that. Hopefully he will make progress this year.

I agree that JG knows what to do and how to do it but doing it with the Skins is a totally different matter. Because of the team's meddling owner and prima donna QB and a team that is always on the verge of dysfunction its hard to tell if JG can get it done where other with more experience have failed. Let's hope he's the exception rather than the rule.
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