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Old 04-07-2005, 02:56 PM   #61
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Go dig out your video tapes from last year's games.

Now, check out Dallas II. Who is the guy playing safety in a deep cover-2 in the final minute whose job it is not to let anyone behind him? HInt: He wears #36. He gets lured into watching the backfield and doesn't get to double the WR deep when Springs thinks he has deep help. Result: Winning TD. This is with less than a minute to play and the Cowboys in their own territory and out of timeouts and needing a TD. Hard to blame anyone else for that one.


Now go and check out Eagles night game. Taylor's man catches a pass at the 1 yard line for a first down - sorry I don't recall if was the TE or Westbrook. Next play is a handoff to Dorsey Levens who gets hit at the line of scrimmage by some guy wearing #36. But #36 forgets to wrap up and Levens manages to survive that "beastly hit" and score a TD. That was the difference in the game. Clean hit by #36 with lots of ferocity, but the result was "TD - Not Washington Redskins" - apologies to Frank Herzog for that one.


That is just from memory so when you do your film review from 2004, maybe you can show me where he singlehandedly won a game for the Skins. I must have been napping when that happened...
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Like I said before, he prevented a touchdown by stripping Jones which the Redskins recovered in the second Dallas game. He DID also give up that last touchdown. I would say it's a push in that situation.

In the end, I hate to go and blame particular players for losses. Our offense was really to blame for the woes of 2004.
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Old 04-07-2005, 03:07 PM   #63
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I think the difference is that Riggo performed on the field and played best in the biggest games. None of these guys has done anything on the field. When they finally do something/anything that comes remotely close to winning then they can goof off.
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Old 04-07-2005, 03:21 PM   #64
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Yeah, ST is the only rookie safety who has ever made mistakes and blown coverages. Every other rook DB in the history of the league has been the effing MAN immediately, except ST.
Come one, every rookie DB who starts gets worked by somebody, but Talyor is a beast. He's going to awesome, a bigger faster version of Troy Pomalu (I fofgert how to spell his name) up in Pittsburg. He also had a shaky rookie season, but was solid last year. Taylor will be fine. Moss is a dumbass, all talk, no production, a mini-Keyshawn.
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I'm not going to pass complete judgement on Moss just yet. I'm just disappointed.
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Polamalu (sp?) was a key contributor on a defense that took a team to a 15-1 record in his 2nd season after he didn't start for most of the first season. He got some All-Pro votes as I recall, too.

So, are you calling for ST to do the same thing? That would be nice. But it ain't gonna happen... LIke I said, if you love him as a "beast" then you will have to love his beastly behaviors. And you'll have to find ways to convince yourself that his "mental errors" aren't so debilitating because you love to see him make a really big hit.

Frankly, I prefer results. You can be a huge hitter AND play smart and winning football. See Ronnie Lott, Brian Dawkins, Jack Tatum, NIght Train Lane, Lem Barney, Ken Houston and a hundred or so of the really good linebackers. Or you can play like Sean Taylor...
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Old 04-07-2005, 03:51 PM   #67
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Go dig out your video tapes from last year's games.

Now, check out Dallas II. Who is the guy playing safety in a deep cover-2 in the final minute whose job it is not to let anyone behind him? HInt: He wears #36. He gets lured into watching the backfield and doesn't get to double the WR deep when Springs thinks he has deep help. Result: Winning TD. This is with less than a minute to play and the Cowboys in their own territory and out of timeouts and needing a TD. Hard to blame anyone else for that one.


Now go and check out Eagles night game. Taylor's man catches a pass at the 1 yard line for a first down - sorry I don't recall if was the TE or Westbrook. Next play is a handoff to Dorsey Levens who gets hit at the line of scrimmage by some guy wearing #36. But #36 forgets to wrap up and Levens manages to survive that "beastly hit" and score a TD. That was the difference in the game. Clean hit by #36 with lots of ferocity, but the result was "TD - Not Washington Redskins" - apologies to Frank Herzog for that one.


That is just from memory so when you do your film review from 2004, maybe you can show me where he singlehandedly won a game for the Skins. I must have been napping when that happened...
SC, your logic is confusing. Are you saying that Ramsey's late interception and overall poor play for the first three quarters wasn't what cost us the Eagles game? Placing all the blame on one failed tackle or one blown coverage is flawed. Saying someone cost us that game should mean at least that, in addition to one late play, their entire performance balanced out to be negative and tipped the scales. My whole point in the first post wasn't that Taylor had game-winning plays, but that he was a positive factor on the team, outweighing his off-field antics.

MalcomConnection has pointed out Taylor's strip that stopped another touchdown against Dallas. By your own logic, Taylor "singlehandedly" won any game in which he had a touchdown saving tackle or interception and the final score was decided by less than a touchdown. The Chicago game by making the final interception, or the Vikings game by stopping Moss' deep catch down the middle (granted, he also cost us a touchdown in that game-a perfect example of why your all or nothing logic doesn’t hold water).

I'm not saying he is perfect, but blaming his missed tackle for us losing in the Eagles game is weak reasoning.
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Old 04-07-2005, 04:01 PM   #68
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Having said all that in defense of Taylor, my favorite player on the roster right now is still Cooley. He is no "beast." But a smart, consistent, good character guy.
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Taylor had a pretty solid rookie season.

Did he make some mistakes, sure, what rookies don't?

He also created some turnovers, had some nice hits, and was an intimidating presence in the defensive backfield.
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Exactly. I can't wait to see how much he's matured this season. If there is anyone who has a coaching staff to help that process, it's Washington.
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Old 04-07-2005, 04:07 PM   #71
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its amazing how nobody has mentioned the game against the vikings. didn't anyone see when the vikings had the ball on our 1 yard line and sean taylor stuffed michael bennett up the middle when he tried to run it in. or his interceptions that helped against the 49ers and clinched the game against the bears. its wondrous how everyone attacks his bad plays, but never mentions his good ones.
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I think it was Moe Williams that he stopped and that's an even BIGGER feat. Moe is a beast himself.
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Good call Mooby. He was great in that game.

Either way, SC still has a point. Taylor still needs improve on wrapping up in many tackles. We don't want his flying past the guy with the ball the way Lavar has over the years. Fundamentals are important.
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It might just be me, but I always thought he looked like he wrapped up for most of his tackles. Of course he wasn't perfect, but I thought more often than not he was fundamentally sound in his tackling.
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Polamalu (sp?) was a key contributor on a defense that took a team to a 15-1 record in his 2nd season after he didn't start for most of the first season. He got some All-Pro votes as I recall, too.

So, are you calling for ST to do the same thing? That would be nice. But it ain't gonna happen... LIke I said, if you love him as a "beast" then you will have to love his beastly behaviors. And you'll have to find ways to convince yourself that his "mental errors" aren't so debilitating because you love to see him make a really big hit.

Frankly, I prefer results. You can be a huge hitter AND play smart and winning football. See Ronnie Lott, Brian Dawkins, Jack Tatum, NIght Train Lane, Lem Barney, Ken Houston and a hundred or so of the really good linebackers. Or you can play like Sean Taylor...
Curmudgeon- Taylor was, I repeat, a ROOKIE. I recall Fred Smoot making some really stupid plays in his early years- remember when all he did was talk smack and get burned on late throws? Give Taylor some time before you start beating on him. Besides, if you really want to smear a Skins DB, there's always Ade Jimoh to kick around.
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