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Arrington vs. Taylor: Who's the bigger "problem"?

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View Poll Results: Who's the more problematic player?
Arrington 30 40.54%
Taylor 44 59.46%
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Old 04-13-2005, 02:31 AM   #16
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Re: Arrington vs. Taylor: Who's the bigger "problem"?

All I know is Gibbs really, really needs a GM. Let a GM deal with all this player craziness and let the head coach focus on the X's and O's, which is what made him great in the first place.
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Old 04-13-2005, 08:21 AM   #17
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Re: Arrington vs. Taylor: Who's the bigger "problem"?

A lot of really good responses on this thread so far. For me, I'm disappointed with both right now, but I wouldn't get rid of either one.

I'm the biggest Lavar fan in the world, but his recent outburst is kind of a "what the F?" From what I know about him, I think it was more frustration and not being able to release his emotion in other ways than anything else. I hope it blows over, and I think it will.

Taylor? I hope he grows up and realizes he really hasn't done anything yet to justify flipping off a hall of fame coach. Not that LA has either, but it's harder for me to see it coming from a rookie/2nd year player.
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Old 04-13-2005, 08:25 AM   #18
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Re: Arrington vs. Taylor: Who's the bigger "problem"?

Definitely. Just like Gibbs said, I think that the Redskins really ARE on the lower rung of teams with problems.
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Old 04-13-2005, 08:28 AM   #19
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Re: Arrington vs. Taylor: Who's the bigger "problem"?

Taylor by a mile. LA has at least made the pro bowl and established himself as a good nfl player. Taylor has not done anything of note in the league yet and now wants his contract redone. He's not in camp getting ready with the team. ST is a big accident waiting to happen and in the next year or so I suspect something will.
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Re: Arrington vs. Taylor: Who's the bigger "problem"?

This has a pretty good synopsis of the whole Arrington situation:

http://redskinsblog.blogspot.com/
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Old 04-13-2005, 09:10 AM   #21
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Re: Arrington vs. Taylor: Who's the bigger "problem"?

Who is the bigger playmaker is the question. who follows the scheme and not get caught freelancing who is the bigger strength to the defense and who in the end will be the biggest impact for our defense. i say taylor we cant replace him with the same effectiveness as we could a linebacker.
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Old 04-13-2005, 10:53 AM   #22
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Re: Arrington vs. Taylor: Who's the bigger "problem"?

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Arrington is with the Postons, Taylor has Rosenhaus or however you sepll it.

Oh yeah, you're right! Drew Rosenhaus seems to be really popular though among many pro players. I noticed that he is representing at least 40 players.

I chose Arrington in the poll, but I'm thinking now that Taylor may be more problematic for us. The guy had off field problems and after one year in the league and one year with his contract, he wants to redo it. Taylor is a beast, don't get me wrong, and we need him! But truly, has he earned a bigger contract? In my opinion, nope! He made some good plays this year, but he also made alot of rookie mistakes. It seemed like at least once in every game, there was a personal foul called on him. And, now, with this skipping the workouts because he wants to redo his contract...shows a lack of respect and maturity. It doesn't show a team player attitude....and we need guys who possess the team first mentality in order for us to succeed.
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Old 04-13-2005, 11:15 AM   #23
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Re: Arrington vs. Taylor: Who's the bigger "problem"?

I have a strong feeling we could see Taylor in another uniform in a few years. I definitely wouldn't invest in one of his jerseys.

Arrington on the other hand looks like he'll be here for a while. He inherited the "face of the team" title from Green when he retired. Yes he whines and complains from time to time, but deep down I think he's a loyal guy who will stick with the Skins through thick and thin.

Is he a Skin for life? Who knows? But if I had to bet, I'd definitely put my money on Arrington to wear a Skins' uniform longer than Taylor will.

Ramsey on the other hand will outlast them all. We all know he's the bomb, I think the NFL is already carving a bust awaiting his arrival in Canton.
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Old 04-13-2005, 11:39 AM   #24
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Re: Arrington vs. Taylor: Who's the bigger "problem"?

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Arrington is at least in DC with the team.

Arrington also hasn't had any off the field issues like Taylor.
Must say I disagree, Matty. Let's not forget that Arrington has missed these workouts before himself. Though it wasn't in his first year able to attend them, he did miss them.

What off the field problems? Okay, he screwed up and missed the rookie synopsis. The courtroom seemed pretty obvious that Taylor wasn't drunk. Speeding? Sure, but everyone said overwhelmingly that he wasn't drunk. Innocent until proven guilty.

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Let's also not forget that right after the fact Taylor said he wasn't happy with the contract, but wasn't going to talk to the media about it. Taylor doesn't go slathering crap all over the media like LaVar does when he gets sad without that extra 6.8M to console him. Taylor for the most part is quiet, he wants a new contract (and I think we can all agree he got HOSED on his rookie contract) and missed the rookie synopsis/training. Do I like either of these facts? No. However I can look past them easier than publicly defacing coaches, trainers, and the organization in whole like LaVar does.

I think we'd dump Lavar before Taylor (provided it was fiscally possible) because Taylor is the better athelete by far. I don't see Snyder letting Taylor go if for marketing purposes alone.
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Re: Arrington vs. Taylor: Who's the bigger "problem"?

I agree with Daseal. I DO agree with you Matty on saying that I could see him in another uniform in a few years. I can see us redoing his contract and then a few years later being unhappy again.
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Old 04-13-2005, 11:56 AM   #26
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Re: Arrington vs. Taylor: Who's the bigger "problem"?

What off the field problems??

C'mon now, I know he was found innocent, but he was still in the papers for getting arrested for driving drunk. If Arrington supposedly does the team wrong by speaking out, getting arrested isn't exactly something that should be dismissed, even if he was later found innocent.

He was also in the papers all last summer, skipping the rookie symposium, switching agents like people change underwear, and now skipping the voluntary workouts to hang with his "U" buddies.

I just think people are really quick to let Taylor off the hook, and instead crucify Arrington for what I consider to be not as serious issues.

Comparing Taylor and Arrington's methods of dealing with the media doesn't hold much water with me. Taylor is a very reserved guy with the media, Arrington on the other hand doesn't hold back. They have two entirely different personalities in that respect. Taylor is "bitching" about his contract by not showing up to workouts and by not returning calls to Gibbs. Arrington instead airs his laundry in public. Neither way is excusable.

I really wouldn't say Taylor is a superior athlete compared to LaVar. They're both physical freaks.
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Old 04-13-2005, 12:10 PM   #27
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Re: Arrington vs. Taylor: Who's the bigger "problem"?

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Taylor for the most part is quiet, he wants a new contract (and I think we can all agree he got HOSED on his rookie contract) and missed the rookie synopsis/training.
How much are the top safeties getting these days? Seriously, I don't know. I'm just not conceding anything until we have the numbers for Roy Williams, Ed Reed, etc.
So somehow quietly ignoring the team and simply not showing up to team events is better than letting the team know where they stand with you? At least with LA you know what you're dealing with. Taylor doesn't say a thing, then all the sudden he's not there at workouts, he doesn't return you calls, and you're left wondering what got up his a$$. Me, I'd rather have somebody vocalize what their problem is with me (albeit in a less public forum than Lavar did). To me, there is nothing more frustrating than passive resistence. I'd place money that Gibbs will be able to work out his problems with Lavar a heck of a lot sooner than he will be able to with ST (if ever).

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I think we'd dump Lavar before Taylor (provided it was fiscally possible) because Taylor is the better athelete by far. I don't see Snyder letting Taylor go if for marketing purposes alone.
LOL! Now that's just funny. A better athelete "by far"? LOL. Love to hear the basis for that one, or how you even begin to make the comparison. And as for marketing, just curious, who sells more Jerseys? I don't know for fact that it's LA, but I'd be shocked if it wasn't.
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Old 04-13-2005, 01:20 PM   #28
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Re: Arrington vs. Taylor: Who's the bigger "problem"?

Is this poll a joke? Neither of these players is truly a problem. LaVarr made some unfortunate and maddening comments following more depressing news about his injury, and now he's a contender for most problematic Redskin? Taylor is a friggin ROOKIE from MIAMI. You know he's going to act like an ass, no rookie ex caine ever has their head screwed on right, but can you really call the guy problematic yet? If you want to look at problematic Skins, you have to look at guys that are old and overpaid. The guy that sticks out here is Brunell- 7 fucking mil and a draft pick to ride pine and get even more wrinkly.

Yes, it sucks for the Skins that LaVarr has been constantly injured since his long term deal, but you can't predict that stuff or blame Lavarr for geting injured. Agreed, he should keep his dumb ass mouth shut, but his statements don't qualify him as a problem player. Taylor is young, stupid, and from Miami- all strikes, given, but he's too young to give up on at this point. Maybe he'll pull his head out of his ass, maybe not, but its too early to tell.
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Old 04-13-2005, 01:39 PM   #29
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What a strong tone Matty!!!. It's obvious you dont like Taylor, but Lavar is definitely gonna be gone real soon. He has always been a problem, he gets alot of personal fouls, he has bitched about his role with the team he wants to blitz he doesnt want to be ina 3 point point stance. But saying the Redskins cheated him out of 6 million dollars? how much sense does that make? This is a business thats why Fred Smoot and Pierce arent here. I wouldnt advise any one to play football before handling their business thats reality or youll be like Lavar looking stupid saying they owe you money. you want your players to show the ultimate committment to you then show the ultimate committment to your players. Dannyboy should be jumping on Redskins one and getting those contracts done. Gibbs should be driving down to Florida like he did for Brunnell if he wants them in camp on time. the contract part always seems to be a problem around here with exceptions like Brunnell and Deion Sanders and people like that. Anyway Lavar has not lived up to his name yet in this league those pro bowls i dont see how he has been doing it but he hasnt made a big play since that interception that turned the season around when Marty was the coach. Yall dont like Taylor but love Bowen for some odd reason. Taylor was a real presence on the field every play all eyes were on what was he gonna do next you never notice Lavar until he hits somebody outta bounds or something like that. yall just dont like Taylor but the Redskins would be stupid to get rid of him but I think Lavar is gone because of that 6 million dollars that we cant pay him but we can pay Brunnell for virtually nothing for some odd reason. thats the whole issue look at Brunnells contract and his contributions versus these players we lost and who are holding out, they see that and i dont blame them how you gonna give Brunnell what he wants and not Smoot if thats the case pay Brunnell according to his value but yall dont want to talk about that cause that would put responsibility on someone besides the spoiled players.
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Gibbs should be driving down to Florida like he did for Brunnell if he wants them in camp on time.
Dear God I hope you're kidding. When's the last time any of our bosses drove to our houses in the morning just to make sure we got to work on time? They're getting paid to do a job, it's time they do it. I know Taylor needs some babysitting, but come on.
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