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Old 04-22-2005, 03:24 PM   #31
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Has anyone heard anything? I can't believe that we are going to get through the draft and still have Garnder on our roster. Cutting him later for nothing in return would be flat out stupid.
There's plenty of stupid to go around over at Redskins Park these days. The Denver swap was foolish -- 9 and 25 doesn't get you two impact players in this draft, and you likely lose an impact player in next year's draft (a deeper draft in all likelihood) as a result. More to the point, if they shed both of those picks (and God knows what else) to move up, they'll pick a WR that won't likely be as good as Coles had they figured out a way to keep the guy happy. (I maintain that any guy who snaps his finger back in place and continues to play is a guy I want on my team.) And the Campbell rumors (if there's nothing to them, which I suspect is the case) aren't likely to help Ramsey's psyche. Moreover, how much was Campbell tested given the strength of his backfield? Good mechanics and a nice kid isn't enough. I fear we're about to make some very poor decisions. Is it my imagination or os Cerrato dumber than dirt?
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Say it WERE to happen, what you guys think of that?

Personally, I would like to have Taylor but that would be a HELL of a price considering it wasn't our defense that was close to the last of the league.
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There's plenty of stupid to go around over at Redskins Park these days. The Denver swap was foolish -- 9 and 25 doesn't get you two impact players in this draft, and you likely lose an impact player in next year's draft (a deeper draft in all likelihood) as a result. More to the point, if they shed both of those picks (and God knows what else) to move up, they'll pick a WR that won't likely be as good as Coles had they figured out a way to keep the guy happy. (I maintain that any guy who snaps his finger back in place and continues to play is a guy I want on my team.) And the Campbell rumors (if there's nothing to them, which I suspect is the case) aren't likely to help Ramsey's psyche. Moreover, how much was Campbell tested given the strength of his backfield? Good mechanics and a nice kid isn't enough. I fear we're about to make some very poor decisions. Is it my imagination or os Cerrato dumber than dirt?
I have been reading on all of this recently and it has been a much debated topic here on who "wears the pants" in the respective relationships in the Redskins organization. I've come to the conclusion that Gibbs has been the one who makes the final say in any transaction. Snyder and Cerrato give their opinion and it's Gibbs who gives the thumbs up or down. Before you put undue blame on people, just understand that Gibbs is the one who is figuratively signing on the dotted line.
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Old 04-22-2005, 04:05 PM   #34
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hmm getting taylor and the number 2 pick for gardner and the 9th pick and the 25th pick then trading down from #2 to get a first and a second sounds real nice equals taylor a 1st and a second for gardner the 9th and the 25th pick sounds pretty darn good to me. sounds like miami would like those two picks they could get what they want for those picks. but as far as giving up next years first round pick we not gonna be that bad this year that pick will not be an impact player who knows what we would get next year we need improvement now then worry about next year next year. if we hadve stayed like we were and lets say ramsey dont have good receivers and dont produce then we would need that first round pick next year for a QB anyway.
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Old 04-22-2005, 05:09 PM   #35
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Say it WERE to happen, what you guys think of that?

Personally, I would like to have Taylor but that would be a HELL of a price considering it wasn't our defense that was close to the last of the league.
I agree!After a corner all our funds need to go to offense they Sucked last year with a capital S.
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Old 04-22-2005, 05:47 PM   #36
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Let me offer some assistance here if I may:

Any news on Gardner?

Yes there is. No other team in the NFL wants him bad enough to offer the Skins a 3rd round pick for him. In fact, I'd be surpriseed to learn that they had a concrete offer of a 4th rounder for Gardner.

Any news on Gardner?

Yes there is: Gardner has a contract that is not a cap-buster next year but this is the last year of his deal. So to trade him, the Skins need to find a team willing to give them something (a draft pick) in exchange for a WR who will be a free agent at the end of next year. That other team has to think that Gardner will have a really big year for them and that really big year will put the new team over the top. What evidence is there that Gardner will EVER have a big year?

Any news on Gardner?

Yes there is: The Redskins FO overplayed their hand once again in this little opera. Instead of giving Gardner's agent the hammer in trying to arrange a trade, the Skins should have tried to swing a deal for Gardner themselves - taking less a for him because of the uncertainty of his contract status or willingness to do an extension this year - and moved on. Problem now is that everyone in the league knows that the Skins really don't want Gardner in the same zip code with the rest of the team and so they aren't lining up to make a splashy offer to get him to another city.



BTW, someone suggested trading Moss. Let me tell you why that isn't going to happen unless Moss is caught molesting one of Joe Gibbs' household pets. Santana Moss is what the Redskins FO managed to get for the less than effective way they handled the LC fiasco. If they give him away too, then they have nothing to show for that brilliant piece of personnel strategy - - except of course for the $8M cap hit in terms of dead money this year.
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Old 04-22-2005, 06:02 PM   #37
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all ye of little faith i liked it better when i was younger and didnt know anything until preseason and was like who is that QB when one of are starters got hurt and watched that QB win games. I am rooting for the skins. who should we pick with our picks everyone knows we gonna get a corner. i am not sold on braylon edwards seems like westbrook to me. the LC deal he was a spurrier guy so is gardner is a shotty guy and Ramsey another spurrier guy. every coach gotta get their guys in...give coach come time Gardner didnt turned out we may get something for him then again we not...?
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I wouldn't do the taylor trade, if DE is the direction we are going I would stay pat at and take Merriman, he's a stronger younger version of Taylor and a better all around football player, Taylor may rush the passer better than Merriman but Merriman will be no slouch pressuring the QB and he's 9 years younger to boot and hit's much harder than Taylor.
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Old 04-22-2005, 06:54 PM   #39
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A few thoughts…

1. I don’t want Jason Taylor. Sooner or later he’s going to run out of gas just like Warren Sapp did. Besides, getting Taylor only gives the front office another one of their yearly excuses not to use a high draft pick on a defensive linemen.

2. We’ve heard it here a thousand times. Teams throughout the league already see Rod Gardner like a broken refrigerator sitting outside somebody’s house ready to be picked up by the Salvation Army. And if we’ve thought of it here at the Warpath, you’ve got to believe that other NFL general managers know this and aren’t going to fall for it -- unless of course, the shoe is on the other foot, and it’s Washington’s front office considering such a move.

3. I keep reading how everything Jason Campbell did at Auburn means nothing because he had two good running backs behind him. If that’s the case, what could we expect out of Campbell if Clinton Portis and Ladell Betts are his running backs here?

4. Regarding thought #3: Don’t get me wrong. It would be ridiculous to select Campbell with three quarterbacks already on the roster. The only way it would make any sense is if there’s a way to get rid of that waste of space Mark Brunell. And according to cap figures I’ve heard, it ain’t happening. Not only that, Gibbs doesn’t have time for a project at QB right now.
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A few thoughts…

1. I don’t want Jason Taylor. Sooner or later he’s going to run out of gas just like Warren Sapp did. Besides, getting Taylor only gives the front office another one of their yearly excuses not to use a high draft pick on a defensive linemen.

2. We’ve heard it here a thousand times. Teams throughout the league already see Rod Gardner like a broken refrigerator sitting outside somebody’s house ready to be picked up by the Salvation Army. And if we’ve thought of it here at the Warpath, you’ve got to believe that other NFL general managers know this and aren’t going to fall for it -- unless of course, the shoe is on the other foot, and it’s Washington’s front office considering such a move.

3. I keep reading how everything Jason Campbell did at Auburn means nothing because he had two good running backs behind him. If that’s the case, what could we expect out of Campbell if Clinton Portis and Ladell Betts are his running backs here?

4. Regarding thought #3: Don’t get me wrong. It would be ridiculous to select Campbell with three quarterbacks already on the roster. The only way it would make any sense is if there’s a way to get rid of that waste of space Mark Brunell. And according to cap figures I’ve heard, it ain’t happening. Not only that, Gibbs doesn’t have time for a project at QB right now.

picking campbell would be great move bc now ramsey has to perform. and campbell has mroe legs, bigger college, more finesse on the deep ball, and over 60% CP career (while throwing all those deep balls) and last...looks to be a QUIET GET THE JOB DONE GUY...now tell me why that would be a bad pick...dump hasslebeck...move brunell to third string and dump after june 1 in 06.. and last, who cares about gibbs having to breed a qb...the redskins still have a future no matter what happens...why couldnt coach williams take over after gibbs and hire a good OC?? campbell would be a good pick IMO
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ramsey has to perform regardless of the skins drafting or not drafting campbell. this is ramsey's year to make him or break him. no more excuses. i like ramsey and personely feel that he is going to play very well this season and prove his critics wrong.
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Old 04-23-2005, 12:31 AM   #42
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If Ramsey has a poor year this year he will be dealt away before the draft next year for whatever we can get for him. Hopefully this doesn't happen, but if it does can we please deal him before the draft. This Gardner crap is really starting to tick me off. You have to strike when the iron is hot.
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Old 04-23-2005, 12:37 AM   #43
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If this rumor turns out true I shall stop believing in Redskins and the organization. My faith in Joe Gibbs will be gone. How long are we gonna keep on giving our future to other teams for players at the fag end of their carrers. We should have kept Coles happy and handled that situation better. Even if he wanted to go we should have gotten Jets 1st & 2nd round pick and not some punk WR who is injured half the time. I hope his contract is incentive ladden and is cap friendly, 'cause he is very inconsistent.
I HOPE TO GOD WE DONT TRADE OUR 2 PICKS FOR THE 1ST OVERALL PICK SO WE CAN GET EDWARDS!! C'mon he is just a college player who may or maynot turn out to be great. It is not as if we are getting TO in his prime or an elite WR in his prime. We had one but look where is now.
For Christ sakes will somebody tell Cerrato to get his lazy eye and while he is at it maybe get his brain fixed. THE FO DISGUSTS ME!! I don't understand why these guys had to spent a couple of hours talking about all the rumours that were circulating about the 9th pick and Campbell situation. I just hope we don't draft him. We already have a QB who needs this organization to be behind him and not treat him like a door mat to be treaded upon whenever they desire. U give young QB's confidence and time to develop. PR was never given his due and he of all the people deserves it!!
GET SOME SANITY!! PICK A CB and maybe a DE or WR!!
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I actually heard rumors of J.Taylor as part of the trade for our 9th, 25th, & Gardner. We would get the 2nd pick & Taylor. The reason for this is the belief that Taylor will not fit the 3-4 Defensive system that Saban wants to run. Also dumping the salary helps to sign multiple draft picks. With that said it could still be a far fetched rumor with no basis in fact. Would be nice though.
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Old 04-23-2005, 02:58 AM   #44
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Maybe Gardner will be packaged with the 9th and 25th to Miami so we can take Edwards.

Maybe we will package Moss (low cap figure and pouting...) it's not beyond the realms of possibility.

I am virtually certain that Gardner will be dealt this weekend or in the imediate aftermath of the draft.
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Old 04-23-2005, 12:17 PM   #45
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just saw this about Gardner on the newest clayton top 10 things to watch for...


"6. Trades: A lot of big names are available in trades. The Cardinals are talking to the Bills about halfback Travis Henry. The Seahawks still have long-shot hopes of moving halfback Shaun Alexander. The Raiders can't find a trade partner for cornerback Charles Woodson, but they will keep trying. The Chargers are targeting a veteran defensive end. The Redskins are about to pull wide receiver Rod Gardner off the market and keep him as their third receiver. Guys who aren't on the market are Colts halfback Edgerrin James and Jets defensive end John Abraham."

I don't know why but I'm getting this feeling Miami is gonna select Edwards and then trade their new 2nd rounder to seatle for Alexander.
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