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Old 04-23-2005, 11:47 PM   #16
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For the record, I don't know if any of those guys playing football at Miami are good citizens. Truth is, if I want a good citizen, I'll go to church. Kellen Winslow broke his leg on a meaningless onsides kick last year but if he hadn't, only Rothlesberger would have finished ahead of him on offensive rookie of the year voting. He's the real deal. So is Mike Williams. And we missed out on a rare opportunity to have two franchise caliber players in their prime on our offense. The only franchise corner that has ever played this game and will ever play this game is Deion Sanders. If you need any examples on how well teams can do after losing their "lockdown cover corners", take a look a New England. Speaking of which, the fact that they didn't do more to keep David Patten should tell you a little bit about him as well. My point here is that Coles, Bailey, Gardner, Ramsey and Santana Moss (another malcontent the jets unloaded on us in exchange for taking back the malcontent they unloaded on us the year before. Why don't we trade Lavar Arrington to the Jets for the Brooklyn Bridge while we're at it. As long as they're just pulling jedi mind tricks on our GM and all). Mike Williams and Kellen Winslow franchise football players that would have been cornerstones of our offense for years to come. Instead, we will have to pray for a scoreless tie every week as our east west back struggles in our north south running game. And I'll go to my grave believing that if we hadn't taken rogers where we did, he could have fallen to 25 anyway
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Old 04-23-2005, 11:56 PM   #17
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Old 04-24-2005, 12:10 AM   #18
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The only franchise corner that has ever played this game and will ever play this game is Deion Sanders.
Wow... not a mere mention of Darrel Green, but Deion Sanders?? I thought you were amusing for a second, but now Im truly offended. You are a moron.
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Old 04-24-2005, 01:06 AM   #19
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wrong dum dum. Darrel Green is easily one of the best cornerbacks I've ever seen. I grew up watching him for the first 3/4 of his career. He is a first ballot hall of famer without a doubt. he was a lock down cover corner and if Rogers turns out to be 1/2 of Darrell Green, we got lucky this year. But he was not a franchise cornerback. His presence and effectiveness was tremendous throughout his career. He locked down many of the best wide receivers to ever play this game. But he never had the instant effect of making a defense a championship caliber defense that Sanders did. Sanders was the difference between the Niners and Cowboys during their heyday (which until today's draft was the most painful experience of my life as a redskins fan) and I am not sure Darrell Green, as good as he was in his prime would have made that difference, especially in light of the fact that both Irvin and Rice were bigger physical receivers that gave Green some trouble, even though he fought them both like a crazed dog. And speaking of big, physical wide outs with great hands and tremendous route running ability (Irvin and Rice), the fact that they gave the hall of famer Green, and a guy you think is a franchise corner I might add, as much trouble as they did only strengthens my argument that Williams should've been taken with that pick. I am much more confident projecting Williams as a hall of fame franchise reciever than I am projecting Rogers as a hall of fame franchise corner. Defense is cool but you do have to score the football sometimes.
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Old 04-24-2005, 01:13 AM   #20
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Why don't you go to your "new" team's fan site.
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Alright armchair GMs, simmer down.
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Old 04-24-2005, 01:49 AM   #22
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I have been a Skins fan 35yrs. and will be 35 more, but today was a BUST! What anyone did in the past, is past. NOW is what matters! We could of had Derrick Johnson and gotten a corner or wideout at 25. We do have CBs that are capable.
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Old 04-24-2005, 02:08 AM   #23
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My "new" team is whoever is playing Dallas. That was my second favorite team my entire life. I am seeing a lot of shouts for me to get off the bandwagon or move to Dallas but I wouldn't be so angry about this if I didn't really care about the redskins. What I am not seeing from anyone is a cogent logical argument as to why we spent the last two years of the draft pursing defensive backs in spite of having one of the worst and most poorly balanced offenses in the league whose passing attack looked like more like the Bethesda Chevy Chase Senior High School Battling Barons offense than a professional football team.
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Old 04-24-2005, 11:22 AM   #24
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Well here you go... our defense can't slip from where it was last year. otherwise, it won't matter what happens offensively, we will not make the playoffs. our defensive system relies alot on one on one matchups and blitzing corners. Offensively, we had the personell to put up a lot more points last year than we did. That can go back to a few causes....
1) Joe Gibbs - not making the switch from brunell until halfway through the season, because he didnt trust PR... why would he. In the relief Giants game he scored more for the other team than his own. He did not make critical reads to open recievers, because he was too concerned about turning the ball over, and he lacked confidence. Playcalling was suspect at critical times as well and so was clock management.
2) Recievers dropping easy balls all year long. That was unreal. Coles had a hurt finger and probably should've been benched to let DMac have a chance to earn his millions.
3) Injuries - not saying we were the worst team with injuries last year, but we had our share... we need to start preparing the guys on offense just like the defense where the #2 & 3 guys get actual workouts in practice just in case they're needed.

I think Gibbs saw potential problems with Mike Williams that outweighed the benefits. I mean for a guy that big to have so many problems getting off of a 195lb corner's jam... thats kind of rediculous, but its true and its his worst downfall. There are alot of other things on O that need fixing besides personell, and Gibbs knows it. He also knows theres a legitimate concern at QB and was prepared to give up an immediate impact player to get what he thinks is a young mobile gunslinging QB for the future.
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Old 04-24-2005, 01:11 PM   #25
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THE OFFENSE HAS HAD MORE UPGRADING DONE TO IT ( sorry for the caps) durring this offseason than the defense has. the defense was the one area the skins were strong at last year but they lost key players. the d needed to be restored as much as possible with the 9th pick.
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Old 04-24-2005, 01:42 PM   #26
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Yes we did upgrade the offense if you could call it that. We got an over paid, over-rated and soft crybaby malcontent in Santana Moss in exchange for an over paid over rated and soft crybaby malcontent (Coles) that we paid too much for last year in the first place. Then we brought in the weakest of all the patriots receivers (and again the fact that they are content to live without him speaks volumes. I don't want the players New England doesn't want. What did Ty Law and Lawyer Milloy do last year?) And the two of them will compliment the over-paid over rated and soft malcontent that is Rod Gardner, who Gibbs spent the last four months trying to move with no takers (which also speaks volumes about his lack of value in this league). Then we move up two rounds to take a QB that would've been there in the second or third round anyway. And over the course of the next 10 years, we'll still have to pay the unproven Rogers roughly the same money that we didn't want to give the proven Bailey (whom if we hadn't moved to bring in an oversized scat back in the first place, we wouldn't need to upgrade at all on defense) And I know Campbell is an insurance policy on Mark Brunell (another over-rated and clearly past his prime veteran that Snyder was more than willing to pay too much for; and a bad fit for Gibbs' offense to boot). It isn't that we didn't address needs this year. It's that we created those needs by using a ouija board, a magic 8 ball, and a palm reader to run our front office the last three or four years.
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Old 04-24-2005, 02:02 PM   #27
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In last year's draft I was so THRILLED not so much as we got Sean Taylor, but the fact we did NOT get big mouth, egotistical Winslow.......and I think it was poetic justice that he got hurt and couldnt play against the Redskins, the team he vowed to get even with for not drafting him...........does that speak volumes about Winslow.

Anyone can stick with a team that is always winning Super Bowls, but the test of a TRUE fan is whether you stick with a team during the bad times.......It's perserverance that distinquishes a LOYAL fan from a bandwagoneer.........I will ALWAYS be a Redskin fan be it good times or bad........
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Old 04-24-2005, 02:39 PM   #28
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I'm glad we're finally starting to get rid of the posers.....

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Old 04-24-2005, 02:53 PM   #29
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A bandwagon needs several things to run effectively. First it needs wheels, and the wheels fell off of our bandwagon nearly 15 years ago. Secondly, it needs a driver and while it would appear that we have one in Gibbs, unfortunately we also have a backseat driver in Snyder who apparently isn't going to stop until he puts this team in salary cap hell through the next 5 presidential administrations. And I was raised by my grandmother to love this team even when they were the "deadskins" before Gibbs. My loyalty to this team never came into doubt until I began to doubt this team's loyalty to itself and its traditions of intelligent drafting, power football and pride in the uniform, none of which seem to be in abundance at this moment. You are right, we didn't get the egotistical loud mouth Winslow with the great bloodlines. We got the loudmouth, egotistical and drunk Taylor who apparently now wants to hold out after one above average rookie season. I repeat myself, the only member of a defensive backfield that has any business holding out for any reason is a young Ronnie Lott with superbowl rings in hand. Last year we also got the egotistical and loud mouth Coles, who actually managed to get himself kicked out of FSU. God only knows how many RICO indictments you have to be facing before Bowden finally drops the axe on you. And no Winslow didn't get his "revenge" on us personally last year due to his broken leg. I guess he'll just have to settle for going to six or seven pro-bowls in the next 10 years while our tight end, by the way who the hell does play tight end for us, puts up pathetically average numbers like the ones we are going to get this year from Moss (another loud mouthed egotistical Miami player who gleefully displays all of the character traits you despise in Winslow), Patten and Rod Lardrner, not Gardner, who's contributions last year were about as valuable as those of a pot-bellied pig for dinner at the end of fasting for Ramadaan.
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Old 04-24-2005, 04:05 PM   #30
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winslow would have been a wasted pick, he does not fit into gibbs offense. he is better suited for a throw first offense, not a run first offense. he's not even a top 10 te in the nfl, why you love him so much is really disturbing to me.
in the past dan snyder did overpay for players and the skins are now paying for it. since gibbs has taken over, dan has been much more tight with his money and thats the way it needs to be. the skins cannot afford to overpay the way they used to.
as for paying champ bailey, he was offered plenty, he did not want to stay in washington regardless of the offer . good ridence to him. he made me sick, he would get burnt for a td at least 4 times a year. the skins defense was better without him. springs is just as good, if not better. smoot was not better than bailey or springs or carlos rogers for that matter. his #1 mistake is he confided in bailey.
back to the subject of off-season additions to the offense , patten and moss are upgrades when compared to coles and gardner. they also got casey raback, plus the return of john jansen. the offense should be better this season.
defense wins championships and the skins had to do what was necassary to keep it up to par. mike williams was less important to the skins when compared to carlose rogers. the skins do not need another rod gardner on the team. he's big and slow. i would rather the skins use mccants more this year than draft williams.
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