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Old 04-24-2005, 06:37 PM   #31
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Re: what in the hell are they thinking at redskin park?

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When a few days ago they made the trade for the 25th pick no one in the league, the press, or the fans could figure out what they were doing. And now that it is over I still can't figure out what they are doing. Even if you take for granted that we needed another QB and that Campbell is the:
1)QB of the future
2)best QB of the draft
3)the Messiah
How can you say we needed to give up a 1st, 3rd and 4th for him, when I think he would have been there in the 2nd round.
Yeah... I agree. So, they used 3 draft picks to pick up a QB that easily would be no more than a second round draft pick?? Huh? Also, I have to laugh at Gibbs as he justified this pick as investment in the future... and said this was no reflection on Ramsey. Of course, it all depends on his progress and performance, but i thought RAMSEY was the future investment for QB position.

This has been the worst offseason that I can remember... Losing important players and using the high draft picks to just replace or just add players. I don't see where they improved at all... And now that they have no dominant WR to speak of, I can't see their passing game improving much from last year.

I usually look at the Skins optimiscally.... but after this offseason I'm pessimistic as hell for next season.
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Old 04-24-2005, 06:48 PM   #32
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EXIT0 your just used to all the high profile players that the skins have been getting since danny snyder took over. your used to the redskins winning the off season superbowl. finally things are getting back to normal in dc.
just relax and enjoy this ride as gibbs returns this organization into a winning one.
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Old 04-24-2005, 06:58 PM   #33
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Yeah... I agree. So, they used 3 draft picks to pick up a QB that easily would be no more than a second round draft pick?? Huh? Also, I have to laugh at Gibbs as he justified this pick as investment in the future... and said this was no reflection on Ramsey. Of course, it all depends on his progress and performance, but i thought RAMSEY was the future investment for QB position.

This has been the worst offseason that I can remember... Losing important players and using the high draft picks to just replace or just add players. I don't see where they improved at all... And now that they have no dominant WR to speak of, I can't see their passing game improving much from last year.

I usually look at the Skins optimiscally.... but after this offseason I'm pessimistic as hell for next season.
What if god forbid something terrible happened to Ramsey next year. Then we would have been stuck with Brunell and forced to draft a quarterback out of need and probably tried to trade up and seriously overpaid to get someone.

This was an investment pick. It is an insurance pick. Gibbs likes this guy because he fits our system and will begin his career learning and develping slowly.

Granted we could have drafted Adrian McPhereson in a later round, but he doesn't have the cleanest track record and is definately and uncut diamond. But even the best jewlers can ruin a diamond.
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Old 04-24-2005, 07:00 PM   #34
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Our defense was already more than up to par. It was a championship defense and as you pointed out, Springs was more than adequate as a replacement for Bailey. All of this means that we didn't need to look for a franchise corner (which rogers isn't) at 9 b/c we didn't even need one. All we needed out of this draft was another starting corner. And we probably couldv'e gotten Rogers later anyway. Look at the draft order. The next corner back wasn't taken until the Raiders took Fabian Washington at 23. If we had taken Williams at 9, Carlos Rogers and Fabian Washington would have fallen to the mid 20's, where they would have been solid picks and we would have ended up with one of them anyway. Then we could've gotten Campbell in the later rounds and not had to pay him starter's money just b/c we took him in the first round. And I can't repeat this enough. MWillams is not Michael Westbrook. He's not Keyshawn Johnson. He's the best, big, physical play-maker with super hands to come out since Michael Irvin (I know he played for Dallas but you can't argue with his talent or effectiveness. Ask the speedy Darrel Green or Deion Sanders how much fun it was trying to cover Irvin for 60 minutes.) and he's going to be better than Michael Irvin ever was. And Rod Lardner and this McCants guy would sell their souls to the devil to be as good as MWilliams was in high school.
Moss is not an upgrade over Coles. They are both whining spoiled prima-donnas who have blazing speed that they use only to dazzle GM's with but they will never play up to their potential. And after getting completely hosed by the Jets in the first Coles deal, I would be very reticent to make another one with them. If you bought a crappy car from me that only broke down and never ran right, would you really feel confident trading that same crappy car back to me for another one of the crappy cars on my lot? Probably not. The only reason Winslow isn't one of the best TE's in the league is b/c he didn't play last year. And if guys like Joe Caravello, Terry Orr and Clint Didier were effective w/Gibbs, can you imagine what a real TE/H-Back like Winslow would do? Especially if defenses had to account for both he and Williams. The bottom line here is that we could have done everything we did in the draft this year and still gotten Mike Williams but we decided to take Rogers about 12-15 picks instead of where he should've been selected and then we compounded that mistake by taking Campbell about 25-30 spots in front of where he should've gone and we'll be paying for that for years to come. All of which leaves us about where we were this time last year; with a superb, fast and physical defense but without one single player on the offensive side of the ball that will command a double team or create any real match up problems for the opposing defense. We shouldn't just be right back where you started from after having two lottery picks in two years...Unless we've become the New Orleans Saints or the Bengals or something.
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Old 04-24-2005, 07:28 PM   #35
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if we would have taken williams at 9, then carlos rogers
( who , in my opinion, was a much greater need and a much, much, much better player than williams will ever be) would not have been available at 25. if we took campell at 25 after wasting 9 on williams, we would never have gotten a good cb. we didn't pick again until round 4. if we would have taken another player at 25 after wasting 9 on williams, we would never have gotten campbell, he would have been drafted by miami,cleveland or tampa bay with their next pick.
i know you will disagree with me and thats fine. thank you for the good debate.
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Old 04-24-2005, 07:36 PM   #36
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formerskinsfan, if you have not done so already, i suggest you go to hailredskins.com and read the BOSWEL article from the Wash. post. it gives a good picture as to why the skins drafted rogers and campbel instead of williams.
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Old 04-24-2005, 08:03 PM   #37
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The Boswell article was a very good one. He is right. Only time will tell. So that said, Rogers had better fly around like a wasp and sting everything in sight for the next 10 years. Why? Because we gave up about 60-80 touchdowns over the next five or six years to get him so he damn well better stop that many from getting past him. I understand everything you guys are all saying about defense. I do. But in the end, you have to create mis-matches on offense to win. This isn't soccer. You have to score the ball. And right now, I don't see anyone on the offensive side of the ball who's effectiveness can't be curtailed or flat out eliminated by a good defensive scheme (like the ones we will see from Dallas and Philly). And having seen Williams w/my own eyes and talking to people in the SC program, I know for sure, there is no curtailing MWilliams. He is a force of nature. That being said, I hope to hell that I'm wrong and I'll gladly suffer all of your slings and arrows if this team goes 12-4 and wins the NFC east. Right now, I just don't think I'm going to have to do that.
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Old 04-24-2005, 08:56 PM   #38
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Re: what in the hell are they thinking at redskin park?

It's funny how so many people have taken to the likes of Mike Williams when the fact remains that he has been out of football for over a year. Who's to say Williams is going to live up to all the hype. People have already treated the guy like some hall of fame player before he has even stepped out onto the field. Desmond Howard was a number draft pick, Michael Westbrook was a number one guy as well I believe...yet where are they now?
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Old 04-24-2005, 10:20 PM   #39
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I liked Boswell's column and how he basically said Mike Williams would have been the typical Snyder move.. a big, splashy name that the fans loved. As we've seen the past few years, fan approved moves have gotten us absolutely nowhere.
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Old 04-24-2005, 10:25 PM   #40
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Just goes to show ya...we have put alot of blame on Snyder, and for the most part for good reason, but I hear alot of fans being no different with the big flashy names than what Snyder was back in 2000. I mean, hearing people saying how we're giving up points already is laughable.
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Old 04-24-2005, 10:58 PM   #41
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Re: what in the hell are they thinking at redskin park?

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Desmond Howard was a number draft pick, Michael Westbrook was a number one guy as well I believe...yet where are they now?
With regards to Michael Westbrook I think this would sum it up best....


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Old 04-25-2005, 12:17 AM   #42
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Then we move up two rounds to take a QB that would've been there in the second or third round anyway. And over the course of the next 10 years, we'll still have to pay the unproven Rogers roughly the same money that we didn't want to give the proven Bailey (whom if we hadn't moved to bring in an oversized scat back in the first place, we wouldn't need to upgrade at all on defense)
When are Redskins fans, current or former, going to realize that CHAMP BAILEY DID NOT WANT TO BE A REDSKINS ANY MORE?!?! We offered Champ good money but if he wanted to leave then the Redskins had to try to get something in return. The Redskins were going to loose Bailey no matter what, either he would have signed the franchise tag tenure for 1 year, or he would have just sat out 1 year and go where he wants. And if he really wanted out of DC as bad as he claims then he would have sat out a year and left the Redskins with nothing!!!
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Not a Skins fan - You don't belong on the warpath.
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Old 04-25-2005, 11:38 AM   #44
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With regards to Michael Westbrook I think this would sum it up best....


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LOL!!!! That's why I've become hesitant about us drafting a receiver or QB high in the draft! It seems defensive guys drafted high has helped us better than the high picks on offensive. That's why I was more excited by our late round picks than what we picked in the early stages....although I am gladed we got someone at CB!
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Old 04-25-2005, 03:34 PM   #45
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What if god forbid something terrible happened to Ramsey next year. Then we would have been stuck with Brunell and forced to draft a quarterback out of need and probably tried to trade up and seriously overpaid to get someone.

This was an investment pick. It is an insurance pick. Gibbs likes this guy because he fits our system and will begin his career learning and develping slowly.

Granted we could have drafted Adrian McPhereson in a later round, but he doesn't have the cleanest track record and is definately and uncut diamond. But even the best jewlers can ruin a diamond.
yeah... but still the fact is the Skins used 3 (repeat 3) draft picks for this guy. Why this team continues to vastly overpay for players is beyond me. Obviously Gibbs likes this guy... but he also loves Brunell who everybody, except for Gibbs apparently, knew was washed up. Of course, time will tell how this pick will pan out.
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