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Old 03-29-2004, 02:52 PM   #16
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Winslow lead the Canes in receptions and had a horrible quarterback. He was one of the Heisman favorites until everyone saw how horrible the Canes QB was. The Canes would have lost more games if it wasnt for him, theres a highlight of him leaping over a player and making a one handed catch on fourth down on a drive that lead to a win. They are both studs, but I agree that he woudl be a luxury.

Jones did not run all over the Canes in the game that they threw five passes, it was the year before. What VT did was bring in Vicks younger brother to play QB just for that one game, and he did all the running. When Miami played FSU, Sean Taylor won that game. Both becuase he scored, and because of all hes key picks. I think he had three that game, but they made fun of him becuase he could have had over six because of the plays he made put deflected the ball instead.
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Old 03-29-2004, 05:13 PM   #17
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it would be an amazing thing to have both of them. Id like to think we will do well next year where we could get rid of our pick for next year to get both, but i dont see it happening
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Old 03-29-2004, 05:26 PM   #18
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You know how depressing it would be if we ended up drafting T. Harris with teh 5th pick.... Im glad we traded B. Johnson because it at minimum give me more hope that we will draft either Winslow or Taylor
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Old 03-29-2004, 06:15 PM   #19
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If its possible I hope we do
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Old 03-30-2004, 08:36 AM   #20
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I think a team would bite if we gave them Trotter, Gardner and next year's first. Maybe 1st and 4th or something of the sort. But a team that has a lot of holes to fill get's two good veterans and an extra first next year. I think we need to have another pick at the browns spot or higher to guarantee both Winslow and Taylor.
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Old 03-30-2004, 02:31 PM   #21
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I dont see there being anyway to get both of them without creating more holes. Teams wouldnt take a first next year and give up a top then pick this year. Nothing says they will get such a high pick in nexts years draft, id like to think the Skins wont have a top five pick next year.
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Old 03-30-2004, 03:15 PM   #22
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Anyone know where it says that Winslow wants the Postons as his agent?
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Old 03-30-2004, 03:39 PM   #23
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I am curious where people have been coming up with these far fetched trade scenarios? Gardner for a 1st or 2nd round pick? Trotter for anything?

David Boston and Terrell Owens recently were traded for peanuts. Boston and T.O. are twice the talent of Gardner and Trotter.
There is no way Gardner or Trotter or the combination of both and next years 1st round pick will get us the 4th or 6th pick this year.
High draft picks this year are more value-able because of the high number of talented players coming out this year. This is an unusual year because the player picked 6th is as talented as the player picked 1st. The talent level between the 1st and 6th this year will be very little. Next year most likely won't be this way.
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Old 03-30-2004, 04:15 PM   #24
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It's just wishful thinking ... it ain't gonna happen. But if Gibbs can restock our draft with fourth, fifth, sixth round picks be trading a few guys that aren't in our plans anymore, I think that's great and I'm sure there will be some talent at those slots.
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Old 03-30-2004, 04:38 PM   #25
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T.O, Boston, Dillon all have a ton of baggage and teams dont want to risk taking them. But getting much for Trotter and Gardner is still wishful thinking
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Old 03-30-2004, 04:39 PM   #26
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We couldnt get a 6th pick in the draft for Bailey, much less them... Of course we had a few first four picks offered for Ramsey, its all about what teams need. The draft has a ton of extremely talented players, but its not that deep at a lot of positions
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We couldnt get a 6th pick in the draft for Bailey
We couldn't get the 6th because the Lions have too many holes to fill. If they were to get Trotter, Gardner, and Trung or Betts I think they might bite. Plus a 1st and 3rd or 4th next year? That will help them fill A LOT of holes. I don't know how reworked contracts, etc might work, but I think teams that have a lot of needs might bite. Sure, they get a few players this year, but they also get two more next year in the draft.

I think it is very far fetched, but I could also see a team like Atlanta, Detroit, or Cleveland taking it. Trotter, Gardner, Trung or Betts plus a 1st and 3rd next year. I'm sure that's worth 1 pick this year. IF they're looking to trade down, I don't think they'll find a better deal.
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Old 03-31-2004, 01:56 AM   #28
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We'll have to see first is Gardner is expendable... im not quite conviced yet that he is. thats a lot of players to give up but we could afford to lose all of them. Id be nice to fill all of a teams needs and pick up that pick.
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They are all players that have been either replaced or we're planning on replacing soon. I really think Taylor Jacobs will be special. Let him get some play time!
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I agree give Taylor jacobs some playing time, but before we unload Gardner.
Taylor Jacobs could be another Ladell Betts, constantly getting hurt. He looks good early every year in informal shorts and helmets, non-contact drills.
But when the hitting started EARLY last season, we lost him for almost the entire year. He needs to prove he can stay healthy and be a consistent contibuter, before we unload Gardner for peanuts.
Another reason I don't like the idea of unloading Gardner is Cerrato/Snyder have proven year after year they can not find starting talent after the third round.
What good is a 3rd to 5th round pick for Gardner if we can't find a starting caliber player in the draft with that pick? We would basically give Gardner away for nothing if the player selected with that pick does not pan out

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