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Old 04-25-2005, 01:28 AM   #31
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Re: Gibbs: "We had a really good draft!"

the more i think about it, the less bad the campbell pick seems. ive read a lot of ppls arguments for the pick, and it makes sense to have 2 quality players at the position. ramsey is going into a contract year i believe, and if he doesnt pan out, then campbell will be ready right away. the competition could push ramsey like it did brees to have a breakout year. who knows.
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Old 04-25-2005, 01:29 AM   #32
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Re: Gibbs: "We had a really good draft!"

jaws also thought campbell was better than rogers because he can make "all the throws" and other stuff, so this wasnt as far a reach as a lot of ppl may think
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Old 04-25-2005, 02:16 AM   #33
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Re: Gibbs: "We had a really good draft!"

I am sick of the ... "oh our front office is SOooooo stupid as are "fans" who might be able to see the benefit in anything they do.. they are such meat heads.... " attitude that prevails on this and many other message boards at the moment .

Being pessimistic is not the same as being right as being optimist is not the same as being a true fan . The draft is as the draft has always been its a crap shoot . You could draft 20 guys all rated highest in their field and people would still whine because we did not pick their player who will go on to rule the NFL and yet the same people are not so high on them after they drop out of the league in 4 years time to sell real estate .

Can we at least wait until some of these players take to the field before we judge them . Equally can we give Gibbs time to build a team before we rip him and his plans to bits . What he has right now is the bits of teams left over from previous management's . Coles was a Spurrier guy, Gardner a Marty guy, McCants a Marty guy Ramsey Dan Snyders pick etc etc.

I see what Gibbs is trying to do is build a franchise, a team something that cannot be done over night. I might be wrong to have faith in what they are doing but I am at least giving them a chance, it doesn't make me any better or smarter but I for one see the core coming together but it doesn't necessary include the star players everyone mentions . The thing is the core is the glue that holds things together guys like dare I say it James Thrash, Ethan Albright, Joe Salve, Demetric Evans, Jon Jansen and Randy Thomas. In FA you are always going to loose some of the people you want to keep but so does every team. Do you really think the Colts wanted to loose Washington ? And before anyone says the players I mention aren't headed to Canton at any time need to look at who is already there and see if you can see Gary Clark, Ricky Sanders, Art Monk, Joe Jacoby, Russ Grimm, Dexter Manley, Chales Mann, Wilber Marshell or even Darrell Green in there ( although i am not sure he is eligible just yet but if Art cannot get in there you think Green will?)...

All I am saying is sure you can have your oppinion and I know no one is going to agree with me but dont please don't condescend other fans who may not have the same mind set as you do . If you hate what our front office is doing so bad to the point at which you cannot root for the Skins anymore then there are 31 other teams who could use your support and at the end of the day that is what fans are to for to support the team.
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Old 04-25-2005, 04:40 AM   #34
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Re: Gibbs: "We had a really good draft!"

rather have it and not need it,than need it and not have it.
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Old 04-25-2005, 05:37 AM   #35
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Re: Gibbs: "We had a really good draft!"

Call me crazy but I still dont see how Portis is a system back...
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Old 04-25-2005, 07:22 AM   #36
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Re: Gibbs: "We had a really good draft!"

I've gone on record in the other threads and expressed my displeasure with the Redskins draft. The WR need could/should have been addressed with Mike Williams. I understand it more after hearing Gibbs talk about Rogers as someone who they expect to not only replace Smoot, but improve on what we had there.

Regarding Campbell.. I can see the long term logic in it and I guess as fans we need to look big picture. Despite the excuses we throw around for Ramsey, bottom line is he hasn't gotten it done to the point where QB is not a question mark. Gibbs, in spite of the Brunell debacle, hasn't been wrong on too many QB in the past, they have all been more successful under him than they were anywhere else.. He must see/feel that Ramsey has things that prevents him from being one of the elite QB in the league..

Yes, there were more immediate needs at other positions, but if you listen to what Gibbs says, he says clearly that he is rebuilding the FRANCHISE not a team. That means long term and he obviously doesn't see Ramsey as a long term franchise QB. Gibbs is rare in NFL circles that he doesn't have to draft for now in order to protect his job security.

If the defense returns to it's stature from last year, which is possible since they only lost 2 starters and are getting (hopefully) a healthy return of Barrow, Bowen and Arrington plus Rogers, then on that side of the ball we should be in every game. Offensively there are a ton of questions, no doubt about that. Can Ramsey perform? Can Moss be the game breaker he was in 2002/2003? Who else will emerge at WR? Will Gardner be back and be productive? Will a year in the system/adjustments to the gameplan make Portis the threat he was supposed to be when we traded for him? Those questions are going to make or break our season, not what happened in the past 72 hrs.
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Old 04-25-2005, 07:51 AM   #37
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Re: Gibbs: "We had a really good draft!"

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Can we at least wait until some of these players take to the field before we judge them . Equally can we give Gibbs time to build a team before we rip him and his plans to bits .
I totally agree with you...but if we don't judge them now what will we talk about? I'd hate to wait until September to read new posts here on the Warpath
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Old 04-25-2005, 08:17 AM   #38
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Let's not diss Joe Gibbs like that he is still the coach that got us 3 super bowls. I mean Campbell made alot of Patrick Ramsey fans mad but get over it. I am glad we drafted a QB better than going to the free agent market getting dinosaurs. I hope we draft a QB about every 2 years keep them young and fresh you never know when you find the next Tom Brady. The patriots have drafted like 10 QB's over their super bowl run you dont find Tom Brady's by research alone you take chances the draft is a gamble. Personally i think Braylon Edwards will be the next Michael Westbrook who knows? you have to think about the team first Ramsey second. Ramsey has yet to prove anything except he's tough but in the nfl if the redskins are gonna return to prominence you need a QB that dont give up all those sacks and throw all those interceptions. Plus Campbell went undefeated in the (SEC mind you) in an offense similar to ours. Why hasn't anyone posted any interviews from Campbell gee whiz. Dont treat the guy like that yet. Lord forbid he have a season like Ramsey's last year everyone here would be ready to cut him. I'm wit Coach Gibbs on this one so shoot me.
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Old 04-25-2005, 09:48 AM   #39
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Re: Gibbs: "We had a really good draft!"

To all the post that say Gibbs has not given Ramsey a chance to prove himself are totaly wrong. He had prseason last year and look terrible. He had seven games last year and showed some signs of improving but nothing great. To say that signing another QB hurts his convidence then he must not have alot of convidence in himself and his skills. This is a sport that you have to prove yourself every time on the field and Ramsey has on shown flashes of a starting QB and thats all. He will have the opportunity again this year and if he cannot show he can lead this team we are forced to look in another direction. With Brunell we know he cannot lead this team to the playoffs and we had to have a QB in position if this happens. I was surprised by the pick and I hope Ramsey can show he has the tallent to lead our team.
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Re: Gibbs: "We had a really good draft!"

I know we all talk about bringing along a QB slow, but I really would like to see Campbell beat out Brunell in camp to be the #2. I'd prefer him anyday as a backup (provided Brunell really HAS lost it).
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Old 04-25-2005, 10:03 AM   #41
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Re: Gibbs: "We had a really good draft!"

Let's put a couple of issues to bed here.

#1, the current group of Skins WRs are not Canton-bound nor are they one of the best corps in the league. Are they a group with some potential? Sure. Let's leave it at that.

#2, If a player isn't Canton-bound, does that mean they are complete scrubs? Definitely not. Show me any NFL roster and I'll show you a large majority of that roster that is NOT Canton-bound.

#3, I know we are all draft and NFL personnel gurus , but can we at least give this current draft crop a year before they are ultimately judged? Let's at least give these guys a shot to get on the field. Last year we made some questionable acquisitions in a lot of people's eyes (Griffin, Springs) and they ended up playing at a Pro Bowl level.

Overall we made some nice personnel moves last year, let's give this current group a chance to at least hit the field. That's all I ask.

I know we all play alot of Madden and we know what to look for, but for now maybe we should give the benefit of the doubt to this staff who does this for a full-time job and have been studying these players hours upon hours a day for the last few months.
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Old 04-25-2005, 10:11 AM   #42
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Re: Gibbs: "We had a really good draft!"

Just like you were saying Matty, the Griffin and Springs signings were questionable, and even though I wasn't on the board at the time, my current circle of friends was like "WTF, I can't believe we are signing MORE has-beens." Gibbs helped make those signings happen and it seems as though the vast majority of them have panned out. No one could predict Barrow's knee would do what it did.

I too, questioned the QB move, but it has been brought up in many posts how Gibbs is building the franchise and not just trying to "win now". I definitely agree before we have complete flipouts (offiss, you are freaking out dude), we trust in judgement even if it IS questionable. I too, would have liked Williams, but it seems there is a rhyme and a reason to it all when all the highly intelligent minds here have posted good arguments for it.
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Old 04-25-2005, 11:24 AM   #43
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Re: Gibbs: "We had a really good draft!"

Matty, you are always the voice of reason! Kudos to you my friend! I agree 100% with you!
I like the Madden comment! :-P
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Old 04-25-2005, 11:41 AM   #44
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Re: Gibbs: "We had a really good draft!"

Here's the difference. When Gibbs had all those great QBs - who was picking in the draft. hint: It wasn't Gibbs.
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Old 04-25-2005, 11:44 AM   #45
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Re: Gibbs: "We had a really good draft!"

Correction: It wasn't ONLY Gibbs. Don't think Gibbs didn't have a say so in who he wanted on the team. Maybe not as much in the early years, but after he had a couple Super Bowl appearances under his belt, to assume he never had a say so would be naive.
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