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Old 04-25-2005, 11:51 AM   #46
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Re: Gibbs: "We had a really good draft!"

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Correction: It wasn't ONLY Gibbs. Don't think Gibbs didn't have a say so in who he wanted on the team. Maybe not as much in the early years, but after he had a couple Super Bowl appearances under his belt, to assume he never had a say so would be naive.
Exactly.

I think there's this misconception that Beathard was 100% in charge of personnel, that's just not true. Gibbs has always had a say in personnel decisions.
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Old 04-25-2005, 12:19 PM   #47
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Exactly.

I think there's this misconception that Beathard was 100% in charge of personnel, that's just not true. Gibbs has always had a say in personnel decisions.
Just add to that, I don't think Beathard had anything to do with developing the QBs after they were drafted. That was all Gibbs and the coaching staff. So if we trusted Gibbs to develop a guy like Mark Rypien to give us at least one season of glory then why not Campbell

but don't get me wrong, I get the argument that for what we gave up Campbell better give us more than one great season
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Old 04-25-2005, 01:56 PM   #48
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Just add to that, I don't think Beathard had anything to do with developing the QBs after they were drafted. That was all Gibbs and the coaching staff. So if we trusted Gibbs to develop a guy like Mark Rypien to give us at least one season of glory then why not Campbell

but don't get me wrong, I get the argument that for what we gave up Campbell better give us more than one great season
Good point, I don't think it was Beathard that was coaching the QBs
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Old 04-25-2005, 02:19 PM   #49
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Re: Gibbs: "We had a really good draft!"

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But theres a reason, I am ususally, USUALLY, right on the money with my talent evaluation.

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Old 04-25-2005, 02:22 PM   #50
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Re: Gibbs: "We had a really good draft!"

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Has anyone heard 1 annalist, just 1, say what a great pick this was? Or we recieved great or even decent value for what we gave up? ANYONE?
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I think, when history judges this draft, one of the best five players in it will be Auburn quarterback Jason Campbell, who went to Washington at No. 24. That isn't to say Washington did a smart thing, paying a ransom for the pick -- particularly when it already has another quarterback there who's good enough to win with and considering Joe Gibbs will be at some racetrack by the time Campbell is an experienced starter. I'm just commenting on the quality of the player. He's good.
Kind of a backhanded compliment, but you asked..
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Re: Gibbs: "We had a really good draft!"

Actually I have heard a few analysts saying this was a great move. Not that I agree with it, but I'm OK with it.

Also, I am trusting the Skins to win the Super Bowl so the #1 pick for the Broncos next year won't mean shit.
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Old 04-25-2005, 02:24 PM   #52
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Re: Gibbs: "We had a really good draft!"

Gil Brandt likes Campbell:

http://www.whnt19.com/Global/story.asp?S=3221092

As does Terry Bradshaw

CZAR'S FRONT OFFICE TAKE (from Foxsports.com): Campbell was Terry Bradshaw's favorite QB in the draft, loving the kid's big-play arm and toughness.
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Re: Gibbs: "We had a really good draft!"

The more I see reviews of Campbell. The more I think of them as "The Ramsey who can run."

"kid's big-play arm and toughness"
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Campbell is a great player, I think he's good. However, when you invest in a young talented QB, it's not a need. I remember how everyone told me how good a QB controversey would be for the team last year. Let's just learn our lesson and let Ramsey try to play without someone riding his ass.
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Re: Gibbs: "We had a really good draft!"

Like Gibbs said, if a quarterback lets stuff like this [drafting another QB] bother them, then they should not be your quarterback in the first place. So, if Ramsey is our guy, then the Campbell thing should have no effect on him.
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Old 04-25-2005, 07:34 PM   #56
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Re: Gibbs: "We had a really good draft!"

Yeah he said that Campbell was a player they felt was too good to pass up on and felt he can be a long term Redskin for us. Gibbs spoke highly of Campbell's size and ability to use his legs to get out of trouble. Gibbs emphasized, however, that Ramsey is the guy now to lead us to championships.

This also reminds me of when the Skins drafted Rypien back around 1987 I believe. Doug Williams was our guy, but Rypien was being groomed for our future. Once Rypien became our guy, Gibbs went out and drafted Stan Humphries to be groomed as Rypien's replacement if something happened to Mark.
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Re: Gibbs: "We had a really good draft!"

Sorry about the redundancy of the last post, I accidently quoted from Skinsfan without adding my own two cents.

I meant to say that I find the argument that Campbell was a "value pick" more than a bit disingenuous. It is not as if the Redskins were just sitting their at #25 and Campbell happened to slip to them. They traded up - and gave up quite a bit - to move into position and did so with the goal of nabbing Campbell. If they want to say that he is their guy and they just had to have him that is fine, but don't insult us all by calling it a "value pick." Also, before we go comparing the move to the aquisitions of Rypien and Humphries during Gibbs' first tenure, I would remind everyone that each of those quarterbacks were taken in the 6th Round and hardly constituted the kind of commitment that the Skins have just made to Jason Campbell.

I do think, though, that Skinsfan makes a good point by mentioning Taylor Jacobs. When he came out a few years ago many mock drafts had the Skins taking him at #13 before they dealt the pick for Coles. Obviously those predictions had something to do with Spurriers penchant for picking former Gators and other NFL teams did not think highly enough of him to snatch him up before the Redskins took him at #42, but he at least showed enough talent in college for some to think about him being a #1 pick. If he could have some sort of breakout season that would be terrific, and I would even settle for a half decent effort. I think I remember hearing someone, maybe Joe Bugel, praising his talent last season, so maybe something is there - though he certainly has not shown it on the field thus far in his career.
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