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Old 05-07-2005, 06:45 PM   #16
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Re: Another Bad Character

The law is irrelevant. It is a matter of safety. It's about knowing the statistics of the survival rate of those who wear helmets and those who donít. Pavement always wins and sooner or later it's going to beat you. How bad is up to you.
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Old 05-07-2005, 07:55 PM   #17
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for starters everybody makes there living using there body. i know if i got hurt i couldnt work thats where insurance comes into play. second i have a so called crotch rocket and ill tell you its just as easy to crash a harley if not easier because rice rockets are much more nimble. lastly i cant blame these guys for not wanting to live there lives walking on eggshells. just because they make millions they still need to live.

Not everybody would be unable to preform their jobs with a torn ACL(the injury that may end his season). Most jobs in the USA at least do not require phycial activity at all. Most rice burners have a much higher acceleration and power to weight ratio, making them FAR more dangerous to a novice rider. Choppers and Harleys are made for road cruising and crotch rockets are made for speed. This is however a moot point in that the bike itself is less a factor than the person on it. The fact is usally the type of person on a chopper is chilling just enjoying his ride and the person on a rice burner is the type to be speeding and weaving quickly in and out of traffic. Not to say you are this type, it is just a fact. Every time I see someone riding safely on a bike its a chopper style and every time I get passed by a fool who is going 95+ mph its a rice burner.

No one says someone has to live sealed in a box. But in the case of KW2 he was acting stupidly.
A)not wearing his helmet right
B)speeding in a small space(he was up to 50 mphin that lot)
C)no licence
D)no training
E)buying a powerful bike that was above his experience level
F)Wheelies
G)trying to reproduce stunts he saw in a PROFESSIONAL bike act

No one MADE him sign that contract, he agreed to its terms. It said he can't ride motorcylces so he shouldn't. If he didn't like it he shouldn't have signed the damn thing.
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Old 05-07-2005, 08:46 PM   #18
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It's two completely different situations here.

Still, both guys are idiots for gambling their careers like this.
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Old 05-07-2005, 08:51 PM   #19
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It's two completely different situations here.

Still, both guys are idiots for gambling their careers like this.

And lives. Both really dumb.
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Old 05-07-2005, 10:07 PM   #20
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Agreed. They're both idiots. The bottom line is that these guys want to have their cake and eat it too. The upside of being a professional athlete is infinite. The downside is giving up some of the liberties that regular Joes can take. If they're going to take the millions of dollars that come with the job, they'd better be prepared to give up a few things -- living dangerously is almost certainly one of them.
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Old 05-07-2005, 10:37 PM   #21
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They're both idiots, no matter how you cut it. Just because one guy crashed and another didn't, it doesn't mean they should be treated differently.

They're both putting their futures, their teammates' chances of winning Super Bowls, and the fans' desire to have a Super Bowl winner at risk.

One could say Big Ben is risking even more than Winslow, since the Steelers' Super Bowl hopes are more heavily dependent on Ben than the Browns' hopes are on Winslow.

IMO, riding a motorbike safely with all safety equipment, following all speed limits, and following all traffic signals, even doing everything as you're supposed to, it's still a stupid thing to do. Why drive a motorbike when you can drive a car. I just don't get it. I guess some people find motorcycles fun, but man, there are other fun things to do. Now that view is extreme on my part, so I'm not going to push that on people. But since Big Ben wasn't wearing a helmet, I gotta rip into him. That's just flat out retarded.
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Old 05-07-2005, 11:26 PM   #22
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It's his choice to be making but how freakin retard of an excuse is: the helmet law was amended so because it doesn't say I have too, I won't wear a helmet!!! I thought he did a heck of a job as a rookie to come in and lead that team like he did last year, but this definitely counts as a couple notches against his intelligence.

Both players are making or made dumb choices but yet one person still has the choice of learning from the other's mistake cuz Winslow's injury isn't just screwing up his season but it also screws up the season of his teammates as well.
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Old 05-07-2005, 11:35 PM   #23
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I think for Roethlisberger to argue that he doesn't have to wear a helmet because there is no law requiring it is rather lame. This is why we have laws I guess, for those who are too ignorant to act sensibly on their own. I mean would he really step on the football field without a helmet if the league said it was fine? Wonder how long that would last

However, I don't know where the media spin is in all this
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Old 05-08-2005, 08:06 AM   #24
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A very interesting article in the Cleveland Plains-Dealer about Winslow and his fascination with bikes. If what is being reported is true, Winslow showed dizzyingly poor judgement. This goes beyond "going 30 in a parking lot learning to ride".
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Old 05-08-2005, 09:23 AM   #25
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I have been racing and riding all my life. I can personally (after many brush's with disaster) attest that people who don't wear helmuts are just plain stupid, and don't value their head. Unfortunately, when you figure it out, it's way late! It IS the difference between life and not!!!
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A very interesting article in the Cleveland Plains-Dealer about Winslow and his fascination with bikes. If what is being reported is true, Winslow showed dizzyingly poor judgement. This goes beyond "going 30 in a parking lot learning to ride".
Chalk up another reason for me to absolutely Loathe Kellen Winslow. Terrorizing a neighborhood with kids in it by riding up and down the street 15 times doing tricks. Real mature.

I just seriously can't find one redeeming quality in the person of Kellen Winslow II. Not one.
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Old 05-08-2005, 11:29 AM   #27
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alas. i have never seen anyone with such total disregard to his team. but he takes the cake. especially after refusing to take safety lessons. also, to all mothers out there, happy mothers day.
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Old 05-08-2005, 07:29 PM   #28
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I hate to be the stick in the mud but, I don't care about other teams' players.
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Old 05-08-2005, 07:52 PM   #29
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Cris Carter was on Sirius NFL Radio saying that he had the exact same crash Winslow had. Carter was in a parking lot learning how to ride a bike his wife bought him for his retirement (because he wouldn't ride one while he was under contract). Anyway, he said he did the same thing from what he had heard. However, the difference was he was retired. He said that athletes have to treat their bodies like a corporation. You have to protect it and take care of it. He said that it wasn't worth the gamble to him when he was playing, despite the fact that he always wanted one. He said he loves it and rides it all the time now, but he could see how any novice rider could crash such a powerful bike.
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Old 05-08-2005, 10:47 PM   #30
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They don't call them donor-cycles for nothing.
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