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Old 05-15-2005, 03:55 PM   #16
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Re: Portis, Champ, and Smoot

if you guys remember alot of teams passed on smoot during his draft , the skins finally took him in the 2nd round (i think) smoot came in with a chip on his shoulder and said how happy he was that the skins took a chance on him. he talked and talked about how much he loved the skins and the fans then when his contract expires he bolts to the vikes for a LITTLE extra money. too me, that shows very little class on the part of smoot. he was the # 2 cb behind champ and then was the # 2 cb behind springs. he should not have been paid a penny more than springs but all is well, the skins now have a better cb in carlos rogers.
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Old 05-15-2005, 03:57 PM   #17
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In my opinion, Smoot is overrated. Althoug he may have been a decent cover corner for the Redskins, he was too frail to be a force in the run defense. To me it seemed that everytime he threw himself at a running back, he got injured. Smoot is 5'11'' 174; Carlos Rogers is 6'0'' 198. Both seem to have the same speed, yet Rogers is a much more physical athlete. I think the front office did the right thing in letting Smoot walk rather than paying him something he was not worth. The Front Office disappointed me in not matching Antonio Pierce's offer from the Giants. He seemed to understand Greg Williams' defense and had everyone playing and reacting to the right spots. Athletically, Pierce was not that gifted (UFA); mentally he was brilliant this let both him and his team overcome any lack of athletcism. We have a potential to fill his void with someone on the roster who is more gifted than Pierce athletically, but the question remains whether or not we will be able to replace his mental skills. I guess the front office felt they could get somebody to replace Pierce' abilities at a much more bargain value and not have to give him a contract that was worth more than Marcus Washington's. Being skins fans, we hope it plays out well for the defense and the team.

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Old 05-15-2005, 04:22 PM   #18
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smoot left for more money plain and simple, i can't defend someone that does that, do i hate him? no i just don't like what he did, do i hate champ? yes. Smoot was a real d bag for leaving really a d bag. I don't care that the contract was front loaded or what ever if he really cared for the fans he would stick w/ the team. I don't wan't to hear what we would do in his situation, none of us were ever were in that situation so none of us knows what we would do. but i can look at examples, Tom brady as was said took less money, actually less money to stay with his team, yes they were a super bowl team but still, Randy Moss, yes thee randy moss pushed back the amount of money he was getting in the beginning(front loaded) of his contract to the later years(end loaded) so his NEW! team could get more players. Clearly in my eyes smoot is faulty here, in no way can we take shots at gibbs.
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Old 05-15-2005, 04:23 PM   #19
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In my opinion, Smoot is overrated. Althoug he may have been a decent cover corner for the Redskins, he was too frail to be a force in the run defense. To me it seemed that everytime he threw himself at a running back, he got injured. Smoot is 5'11'' 174; Carlos Rogers is 6'0'' 198. Both seem to have the same speed, yet Rogers is a much more physical athlete. I think the front office did the right thing in letting Smoot walk rather than paying him something he was not worth. The Front Office disappointed me in not matching Antonio Pierce's offer from the Giants. He seemed to understand Greg Williams' defense and had everyone playing and reacting to the right spots. Athletically, Pierce was not that gifted (UFA); mentally he was brilliant this let both him and his team overcome any lack of athletcism. We have a potential to fill his void with someone on the roster who is more gifted than Pierce athletically, but the question remains whether or not we will be able to replace his mental skills. I guess the front office felt they could get somebody to replace Pierce' abilities at a much more bargain value and not have to give him a contract that was worth more than Marcus Washington's. Being skins fans, we hope it plays out well for the defense and the team.
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Old 05-15-2005, 04:24 PM   #20
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Re: Portis, Champ, and Smoot

I think we're going to end up paying Rodgers a lot more than we'd owe Smoot in the near future.

And it wasn't "a little more cash" that sent Smoot walking. The contracts were near the same, but from the rumored structures Smoot gets a lot more from MN.

Yes, he left for more money. Welcome to the NFL. These guys aren't Redskins fans, very few of them are. They are mercenaries and that goes for nearly everyone. I love how everyone touted Coles as a "Gibbs guy" and the perfect Redskin, now everyone hates him because he didn't like where the organization was headed.

The problem is this: we can't keep giving up our home grown players to spend 1st round choices to get (although more physically talented) unproven players at positions of need. Think of the options we would of had at the #9 pick with BMW available and no need for CB. We could have probably made a killing in a trade, or gotten a good WR.
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Old 05-15-2005, 04:33 PM   #21
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Re: Portis, Champ, and Smoot

when your talking 10 mil bonus and 26 mil contract vs. 10 mil bonus and 30 mil contract. thats a little more cash. i'm just giving examples , i don't know the exact numbers but come on a few mil dollers. he's a freakin millionare regardless of if he stays or goes. he loved the skins ( my ass ) he was money hungry.
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Old 05-15-2005, 04:35 PM   #22
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The problem was all of the 26M was at the end of his contract, where as the 30M was at the begining of his contract. It's all about the structure.
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Old 05-15-2005, 04:40 PM   #23
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what about the 10 mil bonus, fred new the skins were in cap trouble and couldn't front load the 26 portion. thats were the loyalty part should have come into play from fred.
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Old 05-15-2005, 04:46 PM   #24
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Okay, I know this is going to be a shock to you, but we're a perenial loser. That's not fun. So you're telling me he can get more moeny and go play for a team that went to the playoffs last year? You're telling me he didn't grow up a Redskins fan? He doesn't have the loyalty we have? I guarantee that patriots would be a different story if they weren't winning Super Bowls. The Eagles are having people upset over money (not just TO, Cory Simon, ETC) and they've been winning a lot lately. Just how the game is.
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Old 05-15-2005, 04:56 PM   #25
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yea and the vikes were awsome. come on, he went from the #1 d in the nfc to a very crappy d. he left for money , thats the way the game is. the patriots are the exeption. the eagles lost just as many or more players than the skins this off season.
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Old 05-15-2005, 05:57 PM   #26
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A very crappy, totally revised D. Let's not forget they lost their best corner for most of the year, I think the Vikings will be a good defensive team and more physical in the offensive game (though they still need a back)
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Old 05-15-2005, 07:12 PM   #27
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daseal don't you ever have anything positive to say about the redskins?
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Old 05-15-2005, 07:16 PM   #28
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Re: Portis, Champ, and Smoot

Smoot left for the money.

I believe he did want to stay with the Redskins, but only at the right price.

Another team came along and offered him more than the Skins were willing to pay, simple as that.
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Old 05-15-2005, 08:49 PM   #29
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Re: Portis, Champ, and Smoot

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It's obvious that Rodgers will be a more solid CB than Smoot. He actually has similiar talent and athleticism of Bailey without the attitude or confidence.
How is that obvious? He hasn't proven anything. He was drafted higher and that's it. I don't mind Rodgers, but I don't think it's at all obvious he'll be better than Smoot.
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Old 05-15-2005, 08:59 PM   #30
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Tonite at the Wizards game 4 against the Heat, where we lost to the best team in the Eastern Conference (Congratulations guys on a landmark season, building a great foundation for the future), they showed Champ, Portis, and Smoot hanging out together. Champ Bailey got a loud boo from the crowd. Definetely a funny site.

Funniest thing was on the "kiss me" cam promotion, where they zoom in on couples to kiss on the jumbo-tron, they zeroed in on Champ and G-Wiz, the mascot, and G-Wiz jumped on him.

Just thought you guys should know.
I would've booed not only Champ but Smoot too..........back your bags and leave town already Smoot.....On NFL Network, Vikings cam that it was quiet without Randy Moss.....but all the Viking players predicted that SMOOT would fill the void.................
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