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Old 05-18-2005, 05:55 PM   #46
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Ahh yes, I've seen that article. It speaks in general terms of all the guys that have stopped by the facility, but this article specifically addresses what Swasey has said about Taylor:

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/7755392/

Please note: "Redskins running back Clinton Portis has shown up now and then, and defensive back Sean Taylor, who has skipped the team's recent workouts, made one appearance -- and only to play a game of half-court basketball, Miami strength coach Andreu Swasey said. Both are former Hurricanes."
Good article. So imagine this scenario and answer THIS question:

Taylor continues to skip voluntary activities. He doesn't do any physical activity on his own at all. He shows up to minicamp and training camp out of shape. He works hard in those camps, and outplays all the other safeties vying for a starting job.

DO YOU BENCH HIM?
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Old 05-18-2005, 05:56 PM   #47
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PSU Fan, I hear you ranting and raving about Sean Taylor and how he needs to get his act together and how you don't feel sorry for him and how you have no sympathy for someone making that much money...

But answer the mother-fu*king question, would you bench him for missing voluntary workouts?

I'm on board with your rants about him, he's frustrating, but it's going way too far to bench him at this point. He'll have to take it to the next level and miss mandatory stuff before I'd consider sitting him down.
Sorry to everyone else for having to repeat myself.

Well Schneed, if you had read my initial post on page one of this thread, you would see that I did, in fact, answer the mother-fu*king question. And I QUOTE:

"I say sit him. I'm sick of catering to pouting 22 year-olds who think they're somehow above the team and can make up and live by their own rules. Not for the whole season, but send a message that he's not indispensible.

Last year we had the #3 D in the entire NFL, and we did that without him being a starter the first few games, without Arrington for most of the season, without Daniels for most of the season, without Barrow (who was the projected starter going into the year), without Bowen for a host of games, and without other defensive players for games here and there througout the season. I have no reason to believe this year will be any different. It's GW's system that makes our defense great, not Sean Taylor."

I've also addressed the "voluntary" issue when I said:

"And I don't buy this "voluntary" argument. That's BS. EVERY OTHER teammate who can be there is there right now. If it's so "voluntary", then why doesn't the whole rest of the team have a problem showing up? Come on, he's looking like a punk right now, plain and simple. He's got absolutely NO REASON to not be there with the team. NONE."

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Good article. So imagine this scenario and answer THIS question:

Taylor continues to skip voluntary activities. He doesn't do any physical activity on his own at all. He shows up to minicamp and training camp out of shape. He works hard in those camps, and outplays all the other safeties vying for a starting job.

DO YOU BENCH HIM?
Well, I don't know if I "bench" him, but I don't make him my starter. If I'm the coach (and obviously, I'm not), I send a message to everyone that starters are team guys who come to OTA's when they have no reason not to. Does he play in game 1? Of course. But he doesn't take the field as a starting safety on my team.
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Old 05-18-2005, 06:03 PM   #49
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PSU Fan, I hear you ranting and raving about Sean Taylor and how he needs to get his act together and how you don't feel sorry for him and how you have no sympathy for someone making that much money...

But answer the mother-fu*king question, would you bench him for missing voluntary workouts?

I'm on board with your rants about him, he's frustrating, but it's going way too far to bench him at this point. He'll have to take it to the next level and miss mandatory stuff before I'd consider sitting him down.
Now let me ask you a question: What the FU*K is up with getting belligerent with me?
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to the two combatants take a break from the argument

http://www.whizzinator.com/

click on the link product, now if Sean Taylor gets caught with one of these then cut him and take the cap hit.
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Old 05-18-2005, 06:44 PM   #51
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PSUfan - Perhaps his family has jobs and they can't spend every waking moment in DC. He's playing pro ball, not supporting his support structure.
And how would that make him any different from EVERY OTHER player in the NFL? I'm not saying they should "spend every waking moment in DC," but he certainly has greater means to have his family visit him than the normal, everyday Joe who relocates for a job or goes off to school.

Again, why is it that we got stuck with the most emotionally fragile player in the NFL (if his adjustment to DC was so hard and if it's true that he's just really missing home......where he's been for months now)? It's not like there has never been a rookie in the NFL that's had to leave his home to start a life for himself. Yet here we are, trying to figure out why Taylor is seemingly the only guy in the NFL that can't make it to OTA's because why? Really, why? Plenty of guys aren't there because of injury (Arrington, Barrow), or legitimate excused personal reasons (Tupa), or holding out for a better contract (TO), or because they are going to be traded or released anyway (Gardner). So who in the NFL isn't there because they just want to spend more time at home? That's right, our guy. It's just rediculous. Here we are speculating that he's not there because he's "burned out" in his second year? Is that some kind of a joke? Other than Eric Crouch, I can't recall a player getting "burned out" so fast.
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Old 05-18-2005, 07:26 PM   #52
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Thank God you're not the coach, PSU. Sorry, I missed your first post somehow. I can't believe you actually would keep Taylor out of the starting lineup for something this insignificant. If you follow that logic, you'd be sitting Javon Walker, Donovan Darius, and countless other players around the league who have held out for various reasons. And you'd end up losing games. Hell, you'd even have to sit Santana Moss. After all, he was under contract for one more year while he was sitting out waiting for his new contract, missing these voluntary practices.

If you do it to Taylor you have to do it to everyone else.

Think about sitting someone like Terrell Owens, who is calling out his QB in the media. But don't sit Sean Taylor for missing a series of practices that are taking place FIVE MONTHS before the season begins.
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Once he shows up this will all be forgotten. It still really irks me that S.T can be such an immature wussy! "I'm home sick. I don't like the spot light." :vomit-smi Give me a freeking break!!!
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Old 05-19-2005, 03:00 AM   #54
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Like I said before, this the NFL, not HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL, to win at this level you have to play the best players you have!!! You talk about a "TEAM" wouldnt you be hurting your team if you put incompentent players on the field while you bench the best player just to teach him a lesson? Sooner or later the players will turn on you!!!
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Like I said before, this the NFL, not HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL, to win at this level you have to play the best players you have!!! You talk about a "TEAM" wouldnt you be hurting your team if you put incompentent players on the field while you bench the best player just to teach him a lesson? Sooner or later the players will turn on you!!!
Generally speaking, you do have to put the best players on the field. However, disciplinary measures (i.e. benching a player) are a necessary evil when a player "acts out." Gibbs benched Taylor for missing a practice in the game against the Packers even though he was certainly our best safety. I think it would be "high school football" to allow a player to miss mandatory practices/camps and not punish him by benching him for a game or two.
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BTW,

Chill out everyone lest the mods "bench" you for inappropriate behavior. Save it for the Cowgirls.
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Generally speaking, you do have to put the best players on the field. However, disciplinary measures (i.e. benching a player) are a necessary evil when a player "acts out." Gibbs benched Taylor for missing a practice in the game against the Packers even though he was certainly our best safety. I think it would be "high school football" to allow a player to miss mandatory practices/camps and not punish him by benching him for a game or two.
You are right Gibbs did bench Taylor for the Green Bay game, but also wasnt that for his DUI along with missing a practice? Also is that not more important than Taylor missing voulentary workouts? Untill Taylor missed mandatory practices/camps you can not bench him.

I agree with your statment too, it would be "high shcool football" to allow a player miss mandatory events and still play him. And it would be "high school football" to bench a player for missing voulentary off-season workouts. But as of this season so far Taylor has yet to miss mandatory anything. When/if he does then yes take the approprate measures against him, but not until he does.
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Taylor was benched for missing the practice and supposedly, it had nothing to do with the DUI.

I agree that you shouldn't necessarily bench Taylor for missing voluntary workouts. It would be a TOTALLY different story, in my mind at least, if he missed any camps.
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Taylor was benched for missing the practice and supposedly, it had nothing to do with the DUI.

I agree that you shouldn't necessarily bench Taylor for missing voluntary workouts. It would be a TOTALLY different story, in my mind at least, if he missed any camps.
100% agreed. Mandatory means mandatory and voluntary means voluntary, no matter how many people show up for "voluntary" practices.
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Thank God you're not the coach, PSU. Sorry, I missed your first post somehow. I can't believe you actually would keep Taylor out of the starting lineup for something this insignificant. If you follow that logic, you'd be sitting Javon Walker, Donovan Darius, and countless other players around the league who have held out for various reasons. And you'd end up losing games. Hell, you'd even have to sit Santana Moss. After all, he was under contract for one more year while he was sitting out waiting for his new contract, missing these voluntary practices.

If you do it to Taylor you have to do it to everyone else.

Think about sitting someone like Terrell Owens, who is calling out his QB in the media. But don't sit Sean Taylor for missing a series of practices that are taking place FIVE MONTHS before the season begins.
Said it before, say it again: #3 Defense in the NFL without Taylor starting a number of games. Sitting him for the first series in a few games is not going to cost anyone the game. It's not like second stringers in the NFL are completely incompetent. People are making it sound like without Taylor, there would just be some huge hole in the secondary. Like we'd have to play with 10 players on D until he plays again. Give me a break, he's really not that important. NO player is.

TO didn't play in the playoffs, and the Eagles won every game up to the super bowl, which he played in, and then they lost. I just think it's a mistake to put too much stock in any one player (except, perhaps your QB if you have a Peyton Manning or Tom Brady).

As for the other holdouts, see my last post above. ST is the ONLY guy in the NFL who is missing OTAs for, essentially, NO REASON AT ALL. I acknowledge that holding out for a contract is, considered by some, to be a valid tactic for increasing bargaining pressure. I certainly acknowledge that injuries are valid excuses as well. But what's ST's excuse? Really, what is the reason he is essentially flipping off the team and his coach? Because that's exactly what he's doing. Downplay it all you want that it's not "mandatory"........convince yourself that it's no big deal........but ST is giving a big "FU#K YOU" to the Redskins team and the coaching staff. Why it's so wrong to try to discipline a guy like that (the ONLY guy who misses OTAs without an excuse) is beyond me. (and NO, you're not going to lose a game by not starting ST......his not being the starter didn't account for a single one of our 10 losses last year, why would it this year?).
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