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Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 05-24-2005, 12:14 PM

I like Brown, but he's only returned 1 kickoff (even if it was a sweet return).

skinnyfan · 05-24-2005, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

I like Brown, but he's only returned 1 kickoff (even if it was a sweet return).

Yea.......taking it to the house is not going to happen very often but working with a short field sure could help a 30th ranked offense find some confidence! I believe Brown can be a punt returner as well as work kickoffs........and could put us in good situations when it comes to field position, which is a VERY VALUABLE ASPECT OF THE GAME!!!!

TheMalcolmConnection · 05-24-2005, 01:26 PM

YES IT IS!!!!

I do think that Brown is quite shifty and speedy. I thought he had a couple good returns if I remember correctly. I guess you're taking off for the Cowboys fumble?

Schneed10 · 05-24-2005, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by offiss

Finally word's of wisdom.

Probably half the guy's on this board could look good throwing the ball in a mini camp.

Yup. Every scout said Jason Campbell threw a pretty, accurate ball with great velocity. The knock on him is his intelligence. The questions remain: can he run Gibbs' offense and can he read a NFL defense. We won't know those answers until he sees live game action.

monk81 · 05-24-2005, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

YES IT IS!!!!

I do think that Brown is quite shifty and speedy. I thought he had a couple good returns if I remember correctly. I guess you're taking off for the Cowboys fumble?

we had the Cowboys......looked like we were going to FINALLY beat them......what was it 1:34 left in the game and Brown fumbles.......I said the Redskins should cut him and make him walk home.......but then again forgive and forget.......he's showed some good plays too...........but NO MORE FUMBLES AGAINST THE COWBOYS..........

TheMalcolmConnection · 05-24-2005, 09:44 PM

Right. And please dear God just give us a W this year. Just one (two preferably) against the Cowboys.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 05-27-2005, 05:39 AM

MalcolmConnection,

Brown only returned one kickoff, but he returned several punts. He had one sweet kickoff return (his only one) and had a few good punt returns. However, it's way too early to compare him to the human joystick.

W_REDSKINS · 05-27-2005, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

The only thing that matters is this, is Campbell Hall of Fame bound??

Sorry Matty... Only one rookie has ever been enshrined in Canton before taking his 1st snap in the NFL.

Can you guess who?

Answer: Mike Vick

TheMalcolmConnection · 05-27-2005, 10:26 AM

I'll be entertained to see if Vick EVER makes it to Canton.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 05-28-2005, 04:52 AM

Mike Vick is a long, long way from Canton. The guy can run, but his passing game is mediocre. The supposedly accurate and strong armed-Vick has yet to put together a decent passing attack. He has yet to put up a 3,000 yard season! Last season was the first time he completed more than 55% of his passes (he was 56%). He's only thrown for 6,600 yards and 36 touchdowns in four seasons! Ramsey has thrown for 5,400 yards and 33 touchdowns in 3 seasons. His career QB rating is just 2 points better than Ramsey's.

Defensewins · 05-28-2005, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

Mike Vick is a long, long way from Canton. The guy can run, but his passing game is mediocre. The supposedly accurate and strong armed-Vick has yet to put together a decent passing attack. He has yet to put up a 3,000 yard season! Last season was the first time he completed more than 55% of his passes (he was 56%). He's only thrown for 6,600 yards and 36 touchdowns in four seasons! Ramsey has thrown for 5,400 yards and 33 touchdowns in 3 seasons. His career QB rating is just 2 points better than Ramsey's.

Your kidding right? You are not saying Vick and Ramsey are comprable?
Vick single-handedly makes the Falcons a playoff team. While Ramsey's throwing stats are close to Vicks, (I know you already know this but) the threat of Vick breaking off 65 yard TD run at any time is what sets him apart from any other NFL QB. He runs something like a 4.4 to 4.3 forty yard dash.
Ramsey does not yet (by himself) make the Redskins a playoff team. You guys are underestimating the large amount of attention NFL Defense's have to pay to Vick. That opens up the rest of field for his teamates. You can not measure that by stats. Stats are overated.

There is only two other QB with that kind of ability to change a games outcome: Petyton Manning and Bret Farve.

I am ot sure why Vick gets bashed so much? Is he an asshole?

Defensewins · 05-28-2005, 09:59 AM

Career Rushing Stats;

Ramsey in three years : 80 yds

Vick in four years: 2223 yds

Micheal Vick ran for an amazing 902 yards last season. He almost broke 1000 yards!
Plus add to that he risks injury much more than other Qb's by running so much.

Gmanc711 · 05-28-2005, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Defensewins

Your kidding right? You are not saying Vick and Ramsey are comprable?
Vick single-handedly makes the Falcons a playoff team. While Ramsey's throwing stats are close to Vicks, (I know you already know this but) the threat of Vick breaking off 65 yard TD run at any time is what sets him apart from any other NFL QB. He runs something like a 4.4 to 4.3 forty yard dash.
Ramsey does not yet (by himself) make the Redskins a playoff team. You guys are underestimating the large amount of attention NFL Defense's have to pay to Vick. That opens up the rest of field for his teamates. You can not measure that by stats. Stats are overated.

There is only two other QB with that kind of ability to change a games outcome: Petyton Manning and Bret Farve.

I am ot sure why Vick gets bashed so much? Is he an asshole?

He's not comparing them as players. He is comparing their passing games, respectivley. Micheal Vick is an amazing player; his run ability makes the Falcons offense dangerous on every single play. However, as a passer, he is very, very average. No one is saying Ramsey is as good or better than Vick at all; I'd take Vick any day. However if you take Vicks speed away from him, he is probaboloy not even a starting QB in the league. Your focus on his running stats, pretty much makes the point. Thats the reason he is such a dangerous QB.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 05-28-2005, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Gmanc711

He's not comparing them as players. He is comparing their passing games, respectivley. Micheal Vick is an amazing player; his run ability makes the Falcons offense dangerous on every single play. However, as a passer, he is very, very average. No one is saying Ramsey is as good or better than Vick at all; I'd take Vick any day. However if you take Vicks speed away from him, he is probaboloy not even a starting QB in the league. Your focus on his running stats, pretty much makes the point. Thats the reason he is such a dangerous QB.

Thanks, you read my mind. I will never say Vick is as good as Ramsey. Ramsey's better....j/k. I'm just saying, as you pointed out, that Vick isn't that good of a passer. But he's definately one of the most exciting players to watch and could develop into one of the best QBs. He's just got a long way to go in the passing game. If I were truly comparing Ramsey and Vick, I'd talk about their respective W-L records - where there's no contest.

wolfeskins · 05-28-2005, 03:43 PM

i think vick is good and he is exciting to watch but he is , without a doubt, one of the most OVERRATED players in the nfl.

05-24-2005, 12:14 PM	#16
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 34 Posts: 8,317	Re: PFW - Whispers I like Brown, but he's only returned 1 kickoff (even if it was a sweet return).

05-24-2005, 01:26 PM	#18
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lexington, Virginia Age: 31 Posts: 17,134	Re: PFW - Whispers YES IT IS!!!! I do think that Brown is quite shifty and speedy. I thought he had a couple good returns if I remember correctly. I guess you're taking off for the Cowboys fumble? __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

05-24-2005, 09:44 PM	#21
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lexington, Virginia Age: 31 Posts: 17,134	Re: PFW - Whispers Right. And please dear God just give us a W this year. Just one (two preferably) against the Cowboys. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

05-27-2005, 05:39 AM	#22
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 34 Posts: 8,317	Re: PFW - Whispers MalcolmConnection, Brown only returned one kickoff, but he returned several punts. He had one sweet kickoff return (his only one) and had a few good punt returns. However, it's way too early to compare him to the human joystick.

05-27-2005, 10:26 AM	#24
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lexington, Virginia Age: 31 Posts: 17,134	Re: PFW - Whispers I'll be entertained to see if Vick EVER makes it to Canton. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

05-28-2005, 04:52 AM	#25
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 34 Posts: 8,317	Re: PFW - Whispers Mike Vick is a long, long way from Canton. The guy can run, but his passing game is mediocre. The supposedly accurate and strong armed-Vick has yet to put together a decent passing attack. He has yet to put up a 3,000 yard season! Last season was the first time he completed more than 55% of his passes (he was 56%). He's only thrown for 6,600 yards and 36 touchdowns in four seasons! Ramsey has thrown for 5,400 yards and 33 touchdowns in 3 seasons. His career QB rating is just 2 points better than Ramsey's.

05-28-2005, 09:59 AM	#27
Defensewins Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 2,759	Re: PFW - Whispers Career Rushing Stats; Ramsey in three years : 80 yds Vick in four years: 2223 yds Micheal Vick ran for an amazing 902 yards last season. He almost broke 1000 yards! Plus add to that he risks injury much more than other Qb's by running so much.

05-28-2005, 03:43 PM	#30
wolfeskins The Starter Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: chesapeake,va. Posts: 2,160	Re: PFW - Whispers i think vick is good and he is exciting to watch but he is , without a doubt, one of the most OVERRATED players in the nfl.

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