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Old 05-25-2005, 10:46 PM   #61
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Re: Hall In, Taylor Out??

diehardskin2082:

Unless there is a MAJOR renegotiation or restructruing of his contract, Sean Taylor will NOT be here for seven years. His contract is back-loaded such that he MIGHT be far too costly from a cap perspective in years 6 and 7. Maybe even in year 5? We need Crazy Canuck here to give us the numbers...

Virtually all NFL contracts are back-loaded with huge salary numbers that give the player an "ego massage" when they sign the long-term deal for umpty tens of millions of dollars. But most of them never see those HUGE salaries in the final years because they either:

1. sign a new deal with a signing bonus and spread out that number over a bunch of years

2. get cut as a "cap casualty".

Sean Taylor is not immune from this reality. He may be here seven years from now and be an All-Pro safety earing huge bucks from Danny Boy Snyder's checking account. But if he falters, he won't even get a sniff of those huge salary years in his Redskin contract. The Skins know that; his agents know that (the ones he had to negotiate the contract in the first place and the ones he hires to try to find ways out of the current deal); hopefully, he knows that too since he has shown little if any ability to recognize the realities of the world that confronts him as a pro athlete.
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Old 05-26-2005, 02:20 AM   #62
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diehardskin2082:

Unless there is a MAJOR renegotiation or restructruing of his contract, Sean Taylor will NOT be here for seven years. His contract is back-loaded such that he MIGHT be far too costly from a cap perspective in years 6 and 7. Maybe even in year 5? We need Crazy Canuck here to give us the numbers...

Virtually all NFL contracts are back-loaded with huge salary numbers that give the player an "ego massage" when they sign the long-term deal for umpty tens of millions of dollars. But most of them never see those HUGE salaries in the final years because they either:

1. sign a new deal with a signing bonus and spread out that number over a bunch of years

2. get cut as a "cap casualty".

Sean Taylor is not immune from this reality. He may be here seven years from now and be an All-Pro safety earing huge bucks from Danny Boy Snyder's checking account. But if he falters, he won't even get a sniff of those huge salary years in his Redskin contract. The Skins know that; his agents know that (the ones he had to negotiate the contract in the first place and the ones he hires to try to find ways out of the current deal); hopefully, he knows that too since he has shown little if any ability to recognize the realities of the world that confronts him as a pro athlete.
If you look at the cap sheets that Crazy Chunk put together on the sites home page, Taylors numbers over his current contract are not really that bad, I think the highest I saw him getting was like 3.5million in year 4 or 5 of his current contract. So I kinda believe that if we dont trade him he will be here for his whole contract...
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Old 05-26-2005, 08:22 AM   #63
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i'm with you PSU21, taylor is the only player with an unexcused absence. i'm quite sure gibbs is more pissed off than he is showing. taylor not returning gibbs' calls is just total disrespect. i agree with you when you suggest some sort of punishment. whether the punishment works or not on "getting through" to taylor it needs to be done in order to set an example and to let the rest of the players know that a single player is not bigger than the team.
i'm really dissapointed in the amount of people on this sight that try to defend taylor. his actions are defenseless. there is no rational reason for him not being at the work outs or for not returning phone calls. i do think the signing of hall is in direct influence of the taylor situation. i think the skins are just preparing for the possibility of taylor not showing up for minicamp.
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Old 05-26-2005, 08:24 AM   #64
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Re: Hall In, Taylor Out??

Start to worry if manditory camps come up and he's not there. I agree he should return phone calls, but as has been before, a representitive of Taylor (at the least) has been in contact with Redskins park.
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1st off cory Hall is no Sean Taylor... Im not even convinced he would challenge Ryan Clark, Pierson Prioleau or Andre Lott for that matter.
While I agree Hall is no Taylor.......Hall was a perennial (sp?) starter. Nobody you mentioned here has ever started as many games at safety as Cory Hall. In fact, Hall has started more games than Clark, Prioleau and Lott combined........so let's not completely disregard Hall's abilities here.
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If you look at the cap sheets that Crazy Chunk put together on the sites home page, Taylors numbers over his current contract are not really that bad, I think the highest I saw him getting was like 3.5million in year 4 or 5 of his current contract. So I kinda believe that if we dont trade him he will be here for his whole contract...
All I can add is that I know he got a 7.2 million signing bonus in the first year, so it actually appears somewhat front-loaded (although I don't know how that 7.2 gets broken down over the years......but he got it all up front).
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Old 05-26-2005, 09:08 AM   #67
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I'd be suprised if he didn't make the hall.. Super Bowls with 2 teams in 2 completely different eras, winning one.. A winner for most of his coaching career (Lost is about to come on so I am not going to take the time to research) not to mention his broadcasting prowess. If he somehow gets to the Super Bowl with the Chiefs (which I completely doubt by the way) he's a lead pipe lock.. Don't forget he's a media darling and they are the ones who vote..

Getting into a coaches doghouse in May and doing something midseason to get benched are completely different entities.. Once the season starts you are on their time, in May, you are on your own time.
First, you make a good point about May v. Mid-season.

Vermeil: Even I was a little surprised to find that his career win/loss record is only 110 wins / 103 losses (52% winning percentage) with a post-season record of 6-5. I know he's a media sweetheart, but there's no way that record gets you into the hall.

There are currently only 20 coaches in the HOF right now. I'll list the only ones to have coached arguably in the modern area (since 1980):
(all regular season records)
Joe Gibbs: 130-70
Bud Grant: 158-96-5
Tom Landry: 250-162-6
Marv Levy: 143-112
Chuck Noll: 193-148-1
Don Shula: 328-156-6
Bill Walsh: 92-59-1

Aside from their records, you can tie each of the above names to specific teams that were dominant for at least a decade. I don't even know what team Vermeil would be inducted under? Eagles? because he was there the longest? Rams? because he won with them? Cheifs? Ok, obviously not, but the point is there is no way you can put Dick Vermeil's name up there with that list. Just no way IMO.

Add to that all the coaches that are in line ahead of Vermeil (record and/or accomplishment wise):
Bill Cowher
Mike Ditka
Mike Holmgren
John Madden
Bill Parcells
Dan Reeves
Marty Shottenheimer
Mike Shanahan
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