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Old 11-28-2016, 02:49 PM   #31
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Yeah and unless I'm forgetting something I don't think he's done anything that's egregiously unforgivable.

He's done a very solid job.
i remember when he was hired and his brother Jon Gruden said something along the lines of "just wait and see, he'll make a much better head coach than i ever dreamed of being" (paraphrased) . . . i am starting to think that he was right on this assessment as IMO Jay is growing leaps and bounds each year . . . i hope to have him and Cousins her for a long time.
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Old 11-28-2016, 03:20 PM   #32
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Him and KC have what it takes to win a Superbowl with this passing attack. A lot like when the Saints won, or even Manning and the Colts. They both won championships through the air. We just need to bolster the defense a little bit and sure up our run game. Hopefully Fat Rob is the guy but whayever. I am very curious to see how this potential playoff run unfolds, but as of right now our HC/QB air attack is second to nobody.
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Old 11-28-2016, 03:52 PM   #33
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Can't can anyone. For one thing,
Gruden and co have delivered. Yeah the defense is mediocre, but the personnel are hacks or rooks for the most part sans Norman and Kerrigan. Next point is, who are you going to get to replace
Gruden? Rehire Norv? We need a
HC that is going to stick around and entrench a winning system. Barry gets a pass until we land a stud DT or two, plus a run stopper LB.
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Old 11-28-2016, 09:43 PM   #34
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Yes, extend Gruden for sure. I agree that Barry should get another year because his cupboard is bare. We need upgrades at DL, ILB & S at a minimum before he can be fairly evaluated.
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Old 11-28-2016, 10:15 PM   #35
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Nope, guy might lead us to b2b playoff seasons for the first time in 25 years but we shouldn't extend him. I agree that I would look at upgrading from Barry but I won't let that hold me back. Also I reserve the right to change my opinion if our stud o-coordinator leaves after the season and he hires someone who's the Barry of offense coordinators to replace him lol.
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Old 11-28-2016, 10:26 PM   #36
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Truth is we are loaded at offense not so much On the D side..and the results show it. Barry has done well with the talent but its time to sign cousins,hope that Doctson is for real and load up on the D!! The real pressure is going to be on who to keep and for how much..we will see about the front office this offseason.going to be interesting..for now we need to win 4 out of last five! Gruden is doing fine ..i would extend him for sure.
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Truth is we are loaded at offense not so much On the D side..and the results show it. Barry has done well with the talent but its time to sign cousins,hope that Doctson is for real and load up on the D!! The real pressure is going to be on who to keep and for how much..we will see about the front office this offseason.going to be interesting..for now we need to win 4 out of last five! Gruden is doing fine ..i would extend him for sure.
I agree. Doctson better stay healthy, but
I still would look for another wide out even if we sign a UFA.
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Yes, extend Gruden for sure. I agree that Barry should get another year because his cupboard is bare. We need upgrades at DL, ILB & S at a minimum before he can be fairly evaluated.
I would flip that thinking around a bit and ask you if you think Joe Barry has shown any ability to elevate the defense beyond its talent level?

I have seen no such evidence, meaning it will take top 5 talent to generate a top 5 defense. By the same token he doesn't have this group underachieving.

So I conclude he's "meh".

If you think there's a better, no brainer D Coordinator candidate on the market this offseason, you have to make the move. Super Bowl winners manage to get more than the sum of their parts. So far Barry hasn't shown that ability.
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I do agree he doesn't have players playing better than their abilities. Look at both Philly and Dallas, Philly had the talent, but underachieved. New coach comes in and they play great. Dallas doesn't have the talent, but their coordinator putting them in position to do well.
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Old 11-29-2016, 12:25 PM   #40
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One area Gruden needs to improve on is his game management skills. They're sub par at best.
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Old 11-29-2016, 12:50 PM   #41
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The best franchises have stability in the front office, coaching staff, and especially at QB when they find a competent one. The Redskins seemingly have stability at all three, so I hope that Gruden is extended and Cousins is given a long term contract. It's just a shame that they didn't pay Cousins last offseason, because he will cost a lot more against the cap now.
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Old 11-29-2016, 03:15 PM   #42
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Some off stats to look at.

Redskins Offense

Ranks first in the NFC and NFL in percentage of 3-and-out drives (9.5%)
Ranks first in the NFC and NFL in receiving yards at catch (2126)
Ranks first in the NFC and NFL in passing yards at catch (2124)
Ranks first in the NFC and NFL in pass completions of 25+ yards (34)
Ranks first in the NFC and third in the NFL in average rushing yards on second down (5.20)
Ranks second in the NFC and NFL in percentage of first-down passing plays gaining 4+ yards (62.9%)
Ranks second in the NFC and tied for third in the NFL in third-and- medium conversion percentage
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Ranks second in the NFC and NFL in total yards per game (426.4)
Ranks second in the NFC and NFL in total yards per play (6.45)
Ranks second in the NFC and NFL in receptions per game (27.3)
Ranks second in the NFC and NFL in pass completions (300)
Ranks second in the NFC and NFL in receiving yards (3571)
Ranks second in the NFC and NFL in passing yards per game (314.8)
Ranks second in the NFC and NFL in receiving yards per game (324.6)
Ranks second in the NFC and NFL in passing first-downs (167)
Ranks second in the NFC and NFL in pass completions per game (27.3)
Ranks second in the NFC and NFL in plays of 20+ yards (55)
Ranks second in the NFC and NFL in receptions (300)
Ranks second in the NFC and NFL in receiving first-downs (167)
Ranks third in the NFC and fourth in the NFL in passing yards per attempt (8.15)
Ranks third in the NFC and NFL in percentage of first-down plays gaining 4+ yards (53.6%)
Ranks third in the NFC and sixth in the NFL in average rushing yards (4.46)
Ranks third in the NFC and NFL in percentage of second down plays converted for first-downs (36.7%)
Ranks third in the NFC and NFL in pass completions of 20+ yards (48)
Ranks third in the NFC and fourth in the NFL in passing yards per play (7.91)
Ranks tied for third in the NFC and NFL in first downs per game (23.2)
Ranks tied for third in the NFC and NFL in total first downs made (255)
Ranks fourth in the NFC and NFL in percentage of third-down plays converted for first-downs (47.9%)
Ranks fourth in the NFC and NFL in average yards gained on first down (6.11)
Ranks fourth in the NFC and fifth in the NFL in 3rd-and-long conversion percentage (32.8%)
Ranks fourth in the NFC and sixth in the NFL in pass attempts per game (39.8)
Ranks fourth in the NFC and seventh in the NFL in pass attempts (438)
Ranks fourth in the NFC and seventh in the NFL in receiving targets (431)
Ranks fourth in the NFC and sixth in the NFL in targets per game (39.2)
Ranks fourth in the NFC and NFL in percentage of pass completions (68.5%)
Ranks tied for fourth in the NFC and tied for eighth in the NFL in offensive points scored (274)
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Old 11-29-2016, 07:44 PM   #43
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I would flip that thinking around a bit and ask you if you think Joe Barry has shown any ability to elevate the defense beyond its talent level?

I have seen no such evidence, meaning it will take top 5 talent to generate a top 5 defense. By the same token he doesn't have this group underachieving.

So I conclude he's "meh".

If you think there's a better, no brainer D Coordinator candidate on the market this offseason, you have to make the move. Super Bowl winners manage to get more than the sum of their parts. So far Barry hasn't shown that ability.

I'm not saying he's a Wade Phillips, but he's not the same 'ole 0-16 guy he was in Detroit either.

Tied for 7th in the league in sacks with Kerrigan, Murphy & Smith. Anyone one of them having a stellar year in your mind? Outside of Baker, nobody is getting an internal push. Losing Gallete late was a big blow, but it just proves our depth still needs work.

Tied for 4th in Forced Fumbles, I'll take that about every year.

Rather than having to break in a new defense (again), I'd like to see just a few upgrades...add 2 DL, an ILB and a Safety.

Did you seriously feel good having Golston/Hood/Ricky Jean as front liners with Baker? I sure didn't.

IMO, if we add just four athletes, who are a tad faster & who tackle just a bit better, I have no doubt we bounce up to become a top 10 defense with Barry.
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I would flip that thinking around a bit and ask you if you think Joe Barry has shown any ability to elevate the defense beyond its talent level?



I have seen no such evidence, meaning it will take top 5 talent to generate a top 5 defense. By the same token he doesn't have this group underachieving.



So I conclude he's "meh".



If you think there's a better, no brainer D Coordinator candidate on the market this offseason, you have to make the move. Super Bowl winners manage to get more than the sum of their parts. So far Barry hasn't shown that ability.


At Baltimore, vs Philly, and vs Minny I think that Barry showed he could get more bang for his buck for sure. We absolutely dominated Philly on defense. Held Minny to a big goose egg in the second half.
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^No way unless he gets a head coaching job
McVay getting a head coaching gif would be a sign we have a good coaching staff here. I can't recall the last time an assistant coach, with the Skins, was sought out for the position?
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