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Old 01-02-2017, 01:54 AM   #1
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In Scot we trust?

I'm not saying fire the GM, but this is not the team that McCloughan promised when he took the job. He sold us visions of tough, physical teams, and what we saw the last two home games, with a playoff berth at stake, was a butter-soft team on both sides of the ball. We can't run the ball, and we can't stop opponents from running down our throat. That's a bad recipe for winning December games when the weather is often a factor. It is time that Scot finally addresses our interior deficiencies on both lines through the draft and free agency. I hope that Josh Doctson is a stud, because that draft spot could have been used to fill a glaring deficiency in this lost season.

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Old 01-02-2017, 02:18 AM   #2
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I'm not saying fire the GM, but this is not the team that McGloughan promised when he took the job. He sold us visions of tough, physical teams, and what we saw the last two home games, with a playoff berth at stake, was a butter-soft team on both sides of the ball. We can't run the ball, and we can't stop opponents from running down our throat. That's a bad recipe for winning December games when the weather is often a factor. It is time that Scot finally addresses our interior deficiencies on both lines through the draft and free agency. I hope that Josh Doctson is a stud, because that draft spot could have been used to fill a glaring deficiency in this lost season.
You make good points but I haven't lost faith. I believe Ryan Kelly was McC's target in the draft last year, however he was snatched up a couple picks before our spot. This team has too many holes to trade up so he stayed put and picked who he thought was the best available player on the board. Sure after a nagging injury filled season where he never played it looks bad. But if we let D.Jax walk and he steps up next year after what basically amounted to a redshirt freshman year in the NFL, our tune will change entirely.

I also agree our needs need to be filled this offseason. But picking a player you don't necessarily believe is the best pick to fill a need over a guy you think will be a strong player for a long time rarely works out. Occasionally you might get lucky and your BPA might fill a need. But that's even more rare. You have to trust the work that your scouts do and hope it works out.

On your other issue, I also agree that this team has looked soft. From poor tackling to poor run blocking there's no shortage of things to fix. But I haven't seen anything that suggests McC isn't capable of fixing the holes on our roster. I won't mind if the Redskins dip their toes in the FA pool this year, I just don't want to pay for top-end talent. Get some solid players to fill some holes that you think the draft has no change for filling. For example, if you think safety or defensive line has a strong class, hold off until the draft to do anything. But if you a see a solid middle linebacker in FA, give him a market value deal. I like Will Compton and Mason Foster as people, but we could use a speed upgrade at LB. Maybe there's an impact DT that won't cost stupid money in FA. I think anybody not named Chris Baker on the d-line is replaceable. And don't get me started on safety. Cravens might fit well there next year but that's hardly a given. Finally, we can't ignore trades. I don't think we have much value to offer but I'm sure there are players who are bad fits on their current teams that could be had for a decent price.

TL;DR: Keep the faith bro. McC is a talent evaluator first and foremost, I have yet to see anything that suggests he is worse at it then Vinny was. And for all the years Vinny got, I think we could afford to give McC another year or two to work with. Yeah our first round pick got injured once, and it ruined his season. Surprise! It happens every year to multiple teams. It doesn't mean anything. Keep the faith bro.
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Old 01-02-2017, 03:37 AM   #3
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I am not as confident in Scot as most people on this board. He has had two drafts with three significant contributors in each class. 2015 Scheriff, Smith, and Crowder. 2016 Cravens, Fuller and UDFA Kelly. Granted there were injuries. However, this brief track record is nothing to brag about . He passed on D lineman when the need was obvious.

The free agent record is mediocre at best. J Johnson,Bruton, Toler, Reyes, Culliver, etc. Sure most of these are low level contracts, but his west coast magic appears to be gone.
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Old 01-02-2017, 04:31 AM   #4
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Here is a point. Scott M came on board in early 2015. We have had 2 winning seasons. Chicago also got their new GM in early 2015. Which team do you think is on better shape? At some point in the past we would argue we are as bad as the Clevelands of the world. It is better from a rebuilding process to miss the playoffs this year. We are getting there folks just hang on.
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I am not as confident in Scot as most people on this board. He has had two drafts with three significant contributors in each class. 2015 Scheriff, Smith, and Crowder. 2016 Cravens, Fuller and UDFA Kelly. Granted there were injuries. However, this brief track record is nothing to brag about . He passed on D lineman when the need was obvious.



The free agent record is mediocre at best. J Johnson,Bruton, Toler, Reyes, Culliver, etc. Sure most of these are low level contracts, but his west coast magic appears to be gone.


Smith????? Fuller????? Kelly????? Wth have they contributed? They are bodies. They are able to play because we have nobody else and zero depth i guess.
The free agent moves are laughable. The two drafts so far are fucking atrocious.
This guy is not the savior we all thought he was.
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Old 01-02-2017, 08:54 AM   #6
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All I know is the Redskins of old were perennial last place finishers in the division. We've definitely made progress under McCloughan but there's plenty more work to do.

I'm really not sure what anyone expected after just 2 seasons, but back to back winning seasons is a good start and something I'm sure all of you would have signed on for at the start.
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All I know is the Redskins of old were perennial last place finishers in the division. We've definitely made progress under McCloughan but there's plenty more work to do.

I'm really not sure what anyone expected after just 2 seasons, but back to back winning seasons is a good start and something I'm sure all of you would have signed on for at the start.
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We are one missed field goal, 2 bad throws and one drive allowed from being 12 - 4. Not saying we deserve to be 12 and 4, but we are getting there.
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We are one missed field goal, 2 bad throws and one drive allowed from being 12 - 4. Not saying we deserve to be 12 and 4, but we are getting there.
That is true,but that doesnt change the fact that Scot's pickups and drafting have been mediocre at best.
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I think Scot has a long term plan that is difficult for us fans to see the forest from the trees. Every move restructuring deals, resigning and releasing players has a place in his plan. I am willing to wait a few years to see how this plan plays out. Back to back winning seasons for the first time in the Dan Snyder era is validation enough for me.
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That is true,but that doesnt change the fact that Scot's pickups and drafting have been mediocre at best.

And yet we have a winning record on his watch. It's too early to properly grade his drafts.
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I am not as confident in Scot as most people on this board. He has had two drafts with three significant contributors in each class. 2015 Scheriff, Smith, and Crowder. 2016 Cravens, Fuller and UDFA Kelly. Granted there were injuries. However, this brief track record is nothing to brag about . He passed on D lineman when the need was obvious.

The free agent record is mediocre at best. J Johnson,Bruton, Toler, Reyes, Culliver, etc. Sure most of these are low level contracts, but his west coast magic appears to be gone.
Is it time already for the annual BPA vs. draft for need argument? I hope not because I get clobbered in every pre-draft thread for my philosophical lean towards drafting for need after the first round. I just want to say that we can't always have it both ways; that is, drafting BPA and drafting for need at the same time.

So, what's the vehicle to target the filling of major holes, then? Isn't much of it done via FA? If that is the case, then I'd like to see Scott go for more players who solve position needs vs. stop-gaps in FA. We have enough cap room to do that this year.
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Smith????? Fuller????? Kelly????? Wth have they contributed? They are bodies. They are able to play because we have nobody else and zero depth i guess.
The free agent moves are laughable. The two drafts so far are fucking atrocious.
This guy is not the savior we all thought he was.
I did not say a high level of contribution. Smith has made a few plays and looked promising after last year. This year has been a major disappointment... except for a few plays. Fuller is ok, also a disappointment. Kelly was undrafted and when he ever gets some blocking he can be a solid addition.
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Since he's took over, we are over 500. Folks it takes time to build the franchise up. We have some great pieces. Dallas built their team with OL for 4 straight years and now it's paying off. We can do the same. Remember only 1 team wins it all.

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We need DT, MLB, S, pass rusher, RB, WR. We'll be fine, got cash and picks. Quit panicking, Scot ain't Vinny.
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We need DT, MLB, S, pass rusher, RB, WR. We'll be fine, got cash and picks. Quit panicking, Scot ain't Vinny.


Rite instead of winning 4 games a year were going to win 8! Woot woot! Lol
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