Sean Taylor or Ed Reed

Mattyk · 05-31-2005, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Schneed10

I think Reed has him beat in athleticism, and Reed has certainly put up the stats recently, and earned the All-Pro nod over Dawkins, so I can see where you're coming from.

I just love Dawkins' heart, he is a serious team leader and plays with a TON of passion. I remember after the Eagles beat the Falcons in the NFC Championship game last year, he was interviewed by Terry Bradshaw (I think it was Bradshaw) and he was like "nobody gave our defense any chance at stopping Mike Vick, and we stopped him. GIMME MY RESPECT RIGHT NOW!"

Just the way he said it was so intense. I love that about him, I think he has the ability to make other players better just through his intensity. The other guys seem to step it up a notch.

Ed Reed yields to Ray Lewis as the team leader. Of course, if Brian Dawkins and Ray Lewis were on the same team, Dawkins would probably yield too, because Lewis is larger than life. So who knows if the situation would be different, but all I know is Dawkins has shown the kind of heart and passion that Joe Gibbs would love to have on his team.

Taylor has miles and miles to go in that department, of course.

Good assessment of Dawkins, don't get me wrong I have a ton of respect for the guy and he's definitely still a baller. He's the heart and soul of that Philly defense.

Schneed10 · 05-31-2005, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Good assessment of Dawkins, don't get me wrong I have a ton of respect for the guy and he's definitely still a baller. He's the heart and soul of that Philly defense.

Yeah, you really couldn't go wrong with Dawkins or Reed. I'd like to see Sean Taylor take a look around the league at some of the players who have reached this level of greatness, and start to examine what it is they do to become so great. I want to see Sean Taylor start to see some of these guys as a role model for what he'd like to become.

NYCSkin · 05-31-2005, 10:38 AM

It's very troubling that Taylor appears to have a lack of passion for football this early in this pro career. Passion is not a mental thing that can be just developed. You either have it or your on the field collecting checks. You can develop mentally as a player by reviewing more film but the passion for the game is what gets you into the office to review that film. Without this passion, something that I think can't just be turned on--Taylor will not develop his game, mentally or physically. To even begin to compare Taylor with the likes of Reed/Dawkins/Williams is very premature.

Mattyk · 05-31-2005, 10:55 AM

I don't think we can say Taylor doesn't have a passion for the game, on the field he's as intense as anyone I've ever seen. His off the field passion could be questioned though. The guy is an enigma off the field.

Daseal · 05-31-2005, 11:51 AM

I'd argue Roy Williams could be better than both of them at this point in time, when he's used correctly.

Mattyk · 05-31-2005, 11:53 AM

Williams is great in run support but he's not the complete package Reed is and Taylor could become.

backrow · 05-31-2005, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by redrock-skins

Reed until further notice. The only reason our pick with Taylor looks good right now is because Winslow has made an even bigger idiot of himself. As soon as Taylor grows up, he will become quite a safety.

The above is LOL funny! Winslow has not only lost two years, but some cash as well!

skin4Life28 · 05-31-2005, 03:51 PM

I love watching Reed, Taylor, Williams, and Dawkins play.These guys are the elite group in the NFL. They all play at 100 mph. Right now though its Reed, Dawkins, then Taylor. Those three guys have it all. Williams is very strong in the run game, but pass defense is so-so. Taylor if he can stay focused could pass Reed, but he has to want it. All these guys though are beasts and will be for years to come.

skinsguy · 05-31-2005, 06:05 PM

Taylor appears to be a player hovering over a thin line between being the greatest safety football has ever seen and being a player that "could have been" the greatest safety football has ever seen. I believe it all depends on how he conducts himself outside of football. Consider Dexter Manley....I thought this guy could have been a HOF guy, but his off field troubles kept him from being the best he could have been in my opinion.

Mattyk · 05-31-2005, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by offiss

Matty, I don't know if Taylor's mental aspect play into his play on the field, it's his off the field mentality that is the big concern. Taylor's instinct's on the field are as good as you will ever see, but regardless as a rookie he had to go threw some growing pains like any other rookie, I have no doubt that Taylor will be much better than Reid, and challenge Lott as the all time greatest safety to play the game, if he can stay on the field.

I just mean his game prep, studying film, etc. When he first came here he wasn't much of a classroom guy, but supposedly as the year went on he became more of a student of the game so hopefully he'll continue with that.

sportscurmudgeon · 05-31-2005, 06:54 PM

Let me frame this question differently for a moment.

Who is the better WR, Rod Gardner or Art Monk?

Gardner is bigger and faster and probably stronger than Monk ever was or ever hoped to be. So, if I look at the physical skills and imagine in my mind's eye what MIGHT happen if all of those skills were put to use in a 100% efficient and effective manner, then Rod Gardner is clearly the better WR - - and it would not even be close.

Damn! There's that pesky thing about the mental aspects of the game and the concentration and the work and the study and the fire in the gut to beat the guy wearing that other colored jersey. But that's not important because Gardner is bigger and stronger and faster, right?

Now change the names here to Sean Taylor and Ed Reed (or Brian Dawkins for that matter) and you will have your answer.

TheMalcolmConnection · 05-31-2005, 08:15 PM

Argh. I REALLY DO think it would be a good idea to put the disclaimer that JoeCrisp had in his info about Hall of Famers.

GoSkins! · 05-31-2005, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Let me frame this question differently for a moment.

Who is the better WR, Rod Gardner or Art Monk?

Sonny or Cher?

Popeye or Bluto?

Captain or Taneal?

TheMalcolmConnection · 05-31-2005, 09:36 PM

Damn, if we only had Bluto as fullback.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 05-31-2005, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Let me frame this question differently for a moment.

Who is the better WR, Rod Gardner or Art Monk?

Gardner is bigger and faster and probably stronger than Monk ever was or ever hoped to be. So, if I look at the physical skills and imagine in my mind's eye what MIGHT happen if all of those skills were put to use in a 100% efficient and effective manner, then Rod Gardner is clearly the better WR - - and it would not even be close.

Damn! There's that pesky thing about the mental aspects of the game and the concentration and the work and the study and the fire in the gut to beat the guy wearing that other colored jersey. But that's not important because Gardner is bigger and stronger and faster, right?

Now change the names here to Sean Taylor and Ed Reed (or Brian Dawkins for that matter) and you will have your answer.

SC,

I'm not sure why you so strongly dislike Taylor. I know he's acted like a bonehead, but I could name about 10 other stellar NFL players who acted like immature, irresponsible, and irreverent kids when they were......kids. I also know a few great former Redskins who I won't name (uh Diesel or unleaded regular?), who showed up drunk with beer in hand to his first meeting with Joe Gibbs, who regularly fell asleep and snored through team meetings, who got drunk and told Supreme Court Justice Sandra D. O'Connor to "loosen up Sandy baby," and who went out drinking the day before games.

Whatever you think of Taylor's off-the-field antics, his on-field presence is amazing. Last season, Taylor started 3 fewer games than our number one cornerback Shawn Springs and he still managed to have two more passes defensed (with 9). In 13 starts he had 6 turnovers (which projects into roughly 8 turnovers a season). If he starts all 16 games this season, with one season of experience under his belt, don't be surprised if he gets 10+ turnovers and 110+ tackles - that's a game-changer. Gregg Williams, who knows a thing or two about defensive players, has publicly said Taylor is the most gifted athelete he's ever coached - and that's praise coming from a guy who should've been livid that Taylor skipped OTAs.

And let me pre-empt your "he choked on 3 plays last season." Again, the guy was a rookie! Rookie DBs are supposed to choke on far more plays than that. I saw Taylor make five great plays for every one bad play.

Saying that Taylor is to Reed what Gardner is to Monk is crazy-speak. I don't there's a single defensive coordinator on the league who wouldn't give their left leg for Taylor. Do you really think Taylor will be cut from this team in two seasons? If so, I'd love to take a hit from your bong because mine must be broken. J/K SC.

05-31-2005, 10:38 AM	#18
NYCSkin Impact Rookie Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Diego, CA Age: 41 Posts: 513	Re: Sean Taylor or Ed Reed It's very troubling that Taylor appears to have a lack of passion for football this early in this pro career. Passion is not a mental thing that can be just developed. You either have it or your on the field collecting checks. You can develop mentally as a player by reviewing more film but the passion for the game is what gets you into the office to review that film. Without this passion, something that I think can't just be turned on--Taylor will not develop his game, mentally or physically. To even begin to compare Taylor with the likes of Reed/Dawkins/Williams is very premature.

05-31-2005, 10:55 AM	#19
Mattyk ‎\m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 40 Posts: 72,652	Re: Sean Taylor or Ed Reed I don't think we can say Taylor doesn't have a passion for the game, on the field he's as intense as anyone I've ever seen. His off the field passion could be questioned though. The guy is an enigma off the field. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

05-31-2005, 11:51 AM	#20
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 30 Posts: 8,055	Re: Sean Taylor or Ed Reed I'd argue Roy Williams could be better than both of them at this point in time, when he's used correctly. __________________ Best. Player. Available.

05-31-2005, 11:53 AM	#21
Mattyk ‎\m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 40 Posts: 72,652	Re: Sean Taylor or Ed Reed Williams is great in run support but he's not the complete package Reed is and Taylor could become. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

05-31-2005, 03:51 PM	#23
skin4Life28 Special Teams Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Raleigh, NC Age: 26 Posts: 447	Re: Sean Taylor or Ed Reed I love watching Reed, Taylor, Williams, and Dawkins play.These guys are the elite group in the NFL. They all play at 100 mph. Right now though its Reed, Dawkins, then Taylor. Those three guys have it all. Williams is very strong in the run game, but pass defense is so-so. Taylor if he can stay focused could pass Reed, but he has to want it. All these guys though are beasts and will be for years to come.

05-31-2005, 06:05 PM	#24
skinsguy Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Greensboro, North Carolina Posts: 5,998	Re: Sean Taylor or Ed Reed Taylor appears to be a player hovering over a thin line between being the greatest safety football has ever seen and being a player that "could have been" the greatest safety football has ever seen. I believe it all depends on how he conducts himself outside of football. Consider Dexter Manley....I thought this guy could have been a HOF guy, but his off field troubles kept him from being the best he could have been in my opinion. __________________ Not the same Skinsguy that posts on ES.

05-31-2005, 06:54 PM	#26
sportscurmudgeon Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,159	Re: Sean Taylor or Ed Reed Let me frame this question differently for a moment. Who is the better WR, Rod Gardner or Art Monk? Gardner is bigger and faster and probably stronger than Monk ever was or ever hoped to be. So, if I look at the physical skills and imagine in my mind's eye what MIGHT happen if all of those skills were put to use in a 100% efficient and effective manner, then Rod Gardner is clearly the better WR - - and it would not even be close. Damn! There's that pesky thing about the mental aspects of the game and the concentration and the work and the study and the fire in the gut to beat the guy wearing that other colored jersey. But that's not important because Gardner is bigger and stronger and faster, right? Now change the names here to Sean Taylor and Ed Reed (or Brian Dawkins for that matter) and you will have your answer. __________________ The Sports Curmudgeon www.sportscurmudgeon.com But don't get me wrong, I love sports...

05-31-2005, 08:15 PM	#27
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lexington, Virginia Age: 31 Posts: 17,118	Re: Sean Taylor or Ed Reed Argh. I REALLY DO think it would be a good idea to put the disclaimer that JoeCrisp had in his info about Hall of Famers. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

05-31-2005, 09:36 PM	#29
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lexington, Virginia Age: 31 Posts: 17,118	Re: Sean Taylor or Ed Reed Damn, if we only had Bluto as fullback. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

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