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Old 06-01-2005, 12:29 PM   #31
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Re: Patrick Ramsey's Future

Yeah Ramsey made a poor decision in the final minutes of that Eagles game...but you know what? He was trying to win. I've seen guys like Peyton Manning and Brett Favre make even worse decisions in even bigger games.
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Old 06-01-2005, 12:30 PM   #32
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Very true. But I also see Manning and Favre make a lot of game WINNING plays. I think that's really the only thing Ramsey is lacking.

But to be perfectly fair to him, his supporting cast has been somewhat lacking until recently.
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Old 06-01-2005, 12:35 PM   #33
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That's true! When you don't have pro bowl type of players on the receiving end, then it makes it harder for a QB to take chances - winds up making the QB look that much worse! A QB like Farve or Manning can take stupid chances because they are confident enough to know that they will get another shot and eventually their taking chances pays off.

Alot of Ramsey's poor decisions come from lack of experience. He'll continue to make some mistakes this year, but I believe the mistakes will decrease as the year continues.....at least assuming Ramsey doesn't get hurt or becomes ineffective. If so, look out..here comes Brunell! That is what it's important for us to have a mammoth running game so we don't have to pass the ball...LOL!!!
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Old 06-01-2005, 12:44 PM   #34
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I don't know. Ramsey has plenty of experience for a starting QB.
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I don't know. Ramsey has plenty of experience for a starting QB.
For one of the few times, I actually disagree. When you look at all of his actual starts, it comes up to somthing like 23 games, which is only a season and a half. When you look at the fact that he was in different systems as well, it really takes away from his experiance. I think this year is his make or break year, I think he has had enough experiance to make it his make or break year, but I dont think he has had enough experiance to blame past mistakes on having experiance already. If that makes sense. Its tough to explain what I mean.
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Old 06-01-2005, 01:11 PM   #36
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No, it definitely makes sense. I didn't go into detail about what I meant, but pretty much I agree. I don't blame him for making mistakes, but I DO think he has enough gametime experience for this to be his year to prove he can do it.
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Old 06-01-2005, 01:17 PM   #37
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It seems pretty clear that Ramsey has the job for 2 years at which point they will need to make a decision. If Rasmey plays great they will probably resign him, but if he is just so so they will either let him leave for nothing or put a tag on him and trade him. The only way Gibbs will hand this thing over the Campbell before the 2 years is up is if Ramsey is a trainwreck and then that would not be a bad thing anyway.
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Old 06-01-2005, 01:33 PM   #38
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Did any of you guys catch the NFL network playbook in wich they broke down draft picks from 2002? Anyways when they got to QB's they gave Ramsey a lot of credit. Even though Carr and Harrington were drafted higher they like Patrick. Despite being in two night and day systems, he has a better winning percentage than both of those guys. I'm just rambling guys...I'm a huge Ramsey fan.
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Old 06-01-2005, 01:48 PM   #39
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Gibbs has always been the type that doesn't mind QB controversy, he thinks having two real good QBs is a great problem to have. I don't think he has "a guy", he just wants to have a couple good ones on hand, and he'll end up playing the best one. Simple as that. I don't think he brought in Campbell with the intention of trading Ramsey, and I don't think he views Campbell as Ramsey's automatic successor. He's just going to give them both a shot, evaluate them, and play the best one.
Gibbs may like that, but our salary cap doesn't. I seriously doubt Ramsey would resign a contract, especially a cheap one, to stay as the #2 here in DC.

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Look, Ramsey's gotta step up already, no more development. He's been in the league long enough that it's now time to perform; the expectations are the same for Joey Harrington and David Carr this year.
The difference is Harrington and Carr don't get yanked out of the lineup consistantly. Ramsey needs AT LEAST a full year to play and get in his rhythm.
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Ramsey has a decent amount of experience, but it's come in two very different systems and he's been yanked in and out of the lineup.

This will be a no excuses year for him. The job is his to lose. This is the year we find out if Ramsey is the QB we can continue to build the team around, or will Gibbs be looking to hand the reins over to Campbell next year.
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Old 06-01-2005, 02:50 PM   #41
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Did any of you guys catch the NFL network playbook in wich they broke down draft picks from 2002? Anyways when they got to QB's they gave Ramsey a lot of credit. Even though Carr and Harrington were drafted higher they like Patrick. Despite being in two night and day systems, he has a better winning percentage than both of those guys. I'm just rambling guys...I'm a huge Ramsey fan.
I have always said that we have drafted the best QB since 2002! And that includes Leftwich. Looking at the numbers, PR is better than all of them, Carr, Harrington, Leftwich. . .this, coming from a casual RamseyFan.

We will be in for a classic Beltway QB controversy the start of next year. I'm saying the start of next year cause I do believe Ramsey will have a serviceable/breakout season, over 20 TD's and less than 15 picks, over 3250 yards.

And please, lets let Campbell chill for a year or two, this guy has PROVEN ZERO! Nothing! Has he put on pads?? I read that WP post article on him and got chills all over! But lets be realistic, he is still a long shot. . .at this point. Now if he throws 5 TD's and 0 picks in limited preseason play, I'll start drinking the kool-aid. ha ha ha ha ha
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Old 06-01-2005, 02:51 PM   #42
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Gibbs may like that, but our salary cap doesn't. I seriously doubt Ramsey would resign a contract, especially a cheap one, to stay as the #2 here in DC.
Definitely. I'm sure he'll take the best deal he can get, whether it's here or anywhere else. If I were him, the only way I'd agree to come back to the Redskins is if they offered me more money than anyone else. If I'm going to be pushed by Campbell, I'd think that's not the ideal situation, so I'm going to want to be paid a lot to deal with that.
But Campbell isn't going to command a high-dollar contract as a late 1st rounder. His cap number will probably be in the $2 - $3 million per season range, probably closer to the $2. And his contract will probably last 4-5 years. So strictly from a QB perspective, we wouldn't be busting the budget if we signed Ramsey to a big dollar contract two years from now to be our starter. We could still keep Campbell around at his rookie rate and we'd be OK. Of course, this all assumes that we have cut Mark Brunell and cleared his dead money off our books by this point.
You're right, that is a relatively big QB budget compared to most teams, but it's not like we'd have Jason Campbell and Peyton Manning's $14 million per season.
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Old 06-01-2005, 02:52 PM   #43
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Re: Patrick Ramsey's Future

I have been trying very hard to determine what the future holds for Patrick Ramsey here with the Redskins, if indeed he has one. I have no problem with PR but it seems as if the coaching staff of the Redskins don't seem to have quite as much faith in him as many of us seem too. It dosen't seem a coincedence that last year Brunell was brought in with a large salry to supplant Patrick. This year we trade three players (including a first) on a QB which will demand a sizeable contract to be a back-up QB. I can't see a future with three high salaried QB's though many seem to think Brunell will be gone. It just dosen't seem likely that the Redskins would go through great lengths to draft a QB in the first round with no intention of starting him at some point in time. Something has to give, we cant start PR and JC, therefore I'm quite interested in seeing how this one is going to play out.
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Old 06-01-2005, 03:15 PM   #44
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Re: Patrick Ramsey's Future

What's with this notion that Jason Campbell is going to cost a lot?? Only guys in the top 10 or 15 picks have exhorbitant price tags in their rookie contracts. The guys in the back half of the first round are paid relatively cheaply. In 2002 when we picked Ramsey in the 32nd slot, he got a contract worth about $1 million per season plus room for incentives. Add some inflation to that, and figure Campbell got picked a few picks earlier, and he's probably between $2 - $3 million per season for 4-5 years. No big deal.
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Old 06-01-2005, 03:32 PM   #45
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I feel that Campbell is Gibbs safty net. We all know that it takes a couple of years to develop a rookie QB so that gives Ramsey two years or until the end of his contract to prove himself. We had to have a back-up QB so would we rely on Brunell to fill that role. We might for the first half of the year or Campbell might show that he is worthy of the number two spot sooner. I don't think we have a QB cotroversy yet, But if Ramsey is unable to step up his game we may have one in weeks 9 or 10. Gibbs had to either find a QB in free agency(which would be costly) or he could find one in the draft. Campbell was a late first round pick so his cost will not be that great. If Ramsey takes that next step we have a player in Campbell that we could trade or keep do to his low cost.I don't feel that Gibbs does not trust Ramsey he just wanted a plan B for if he cannot perform for us. Ramsey looked real shaky in preseason but started to come around when given the chance last season. I'm fully in Ramsey's corner but I'm happy that Gibbs chose to have a back up plan for the future if need be.
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