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Old 12-01-2017, 11:13 AM   #31
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If you truly want change, then Bruce Allen is the one who needs to be fired. Plain and simple. Fire Bruce Allen, bring back Scot McCloughan, make him an honest to goodness, full fledged GM, with total control over the scouting team, the coaching staff, and the player personnel. Let him decide if he wants to keep Gruden and company, and if not, let him be the guy to find your next head coach and let THAT head coach pick his coaching staff. That is the way it should work.

All this talk about firing Jay Gruden and being silent on Bruce Allen is just ridiculous to me. You're going to get the same exact results with the next staff, and the next, and the next. Dan Snyder has not figured out how to hire the right person to run the team, and when we all felt he finally had, he didn't know how to give that person the power he needed to succeed. It's unrealistic to think Snyder will ever sell the team, so you have to hope that at some point, he gets rid of Bruce Allen.

Honestly, I think Gruden is the best we'll ever get as long as our front office is structured the way it is. Which means we'll be celebrating 8-8 seasons from now on.
This captures much of how I feel. Bruce Allen has BOTCHED the Cousins situation, ever since Scot wanted to extend Kirk before the 2015 season! Then Bruce doubles down TWICE on a bad decision by not giving a true market offer after the next TWO offseasons. We are talking the most important position on the team here! Bruce must go, and frankly, his presence in the FO may be an obstacle for Kirk even wanting to negotiate a long-term deal.

Jay is a good offensive mind, but a very average head coach. You can't blame him for the shitstorm of injuries, but here is where Jay fails - ACCOUNTABILITY.

He held Matt Jones accountable for fumbling last year, and benched him. So how are we still putting Crowder back on punts, after 4 fumbles (3 lost)? Don't give me "we have nobody else on the roster to field a punt". Put Ryan Grant back there. Or bring someone off the street. Something. Does Belichick tolerate a punt returner with 4 fumbles in one season? No accountability.

How does the special teams coach still have a job? Both Cowboys games were turned in Dallas's favor by major special teams' gaffes. Other than the successful fake punt against New Orleans, special teams have been a massive fail all year. Again, no accountability.
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Old 12-01-2017, 11:21 AM   #32
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I'll take gruden over mcadoo -doo and day of the week.
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Old 12-01-2017, 11:22 AM   #33
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"On Mondays and Thursdays, Grudenís teams are 2-11, which puts his overall career head coaching record underwater."

3-1 on SNF though.

So in PT overall 5-12 record.

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I'd hire mitchell. Absolutely.
Hah, was going to say the same thing.
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Old 12-01-2017, 11:35 AM   #35
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If you truly want change, then Bruce Allen is the one who needs to be fired. Plain and simple. Fire Bruce Allen, bring back Scot McCloughan, make him an honest to goodness, full fledged GM, with total control over the scouting team, the coaching staff, and the player personnel. Let him decide if he wants to keep Gruden and company, and if not, let him be the guy to find your next head coach and let THAT head coach pick his coaching staff. That is the way it should work.

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Honestly, I think Gruden is the best we'll ever get as long as our front office is structured the way it is. Which means we'll be celebrating 8-8 seasons from now on.
I agree. Until changes happen at the top then nothing will change no matter who the HC is. Unfortunately I don't see that happening.

Should they fire JG? No.
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I don't see this team winning another game with how poor we have been lately, even the Giants can beat us at home week 17. At this point I'd be happy with a top 10 pick
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I don't see this team winning another game with how poor we have been lately, even the Giants can beat us at home week 17. At this point I'd be happy with a top 10 pick


I feel fine about tanking the season. Start over with some good draft picks next year. Let McCoy play out the season because Cousins is gonna killed behind this patchwork line and then he definitely wonít come back.


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I don't see this team winning another game with how poor we have been lately, even the Giants can beat us at home week 17. At this point I'd be happy with a top 10 pick
Stop, we just saw how terrible the Giants are and they're only going to get worse now that McAdoof has tossed in the towel. I think we'll go 2-2 the rest of the way.
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Stop, we just saw how terrible the Giants are and they're only going to get worse now that McAdoof has tossed in the towel. I think we'll go 2-2 the rest of the way.
Idk man, we are so hurt and just not very good right now.

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Since when does tanking make a team better? I've never understood why people say this. Getting a better draft pick doesn't make you a better team the following year. When has tanking proven to equal success the following year? It just makes no sense why people think this way.
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Since when does tanking make a team better? I've never understood why people say this. Getting a better draft pick doesn't make you a better team the following year. When has tanking proven to equal success the following year? It just makes no sense why people think this way.
It hasn't helped Cleveland but it does help to have better draft picks.
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There's no way these players or coaches who are playing for another contract with the Skins or as an audition for another team will tank. That's career suicide.
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We've had plenty of years of top 5 and top 10 picks. Hasn't gotten us anywhere.
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Some of you need to take a deep breath.


You wonít be saying that when we lose the next few of these games. Teams wrecked to hell and Cousins is playing like the Lone Ranger cuz he has no help. Iíd be surprised if we keep it competitive against the Cards and Chargers. Giants, still beatable.


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