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Old 01-16-2018, 03:38 PM   #106
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Yes, I would. It's not debatable either, Tomlin is better than Gruden.
Tomlin has been/is stacked with maybe the most talent in the league over the last 4 years...he's been a major disappointment.

And the fact he been talking about the Patriots like an obsession this year...I think its a terrible example to his team bc they turn around I did the same thing.

If Im a Pitttsturd fan, Im not happy with the Coach or the teams attitude.
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Old 01-16-2018, 03:43 PM   #107
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Ill say this, if Todd "the Tequila Cowboy" Haley gets let go, Id rather hire him than Tomlin.
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Old 01-16-2018, 04:05 PM   #108
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Tomlin is definitely overrated, Steelers fans have wanted to move on for a while, granted fans always see their own situation in a much more negative light than outsiders do
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Did Tomlin win with a team he built? I can't remember if that Cards game was with him there long enough?
Cowher retired after '06, Tomlin won the SB in his 2nd year with the team. I think that's enough time to give him credit for it.

S/N I also believe this discussion is pointless, even if Bill B. was on the market we wouldn't go after him due to Gruden's extension. Not sure it would sent the right message to the players either.
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Old 01-16-2018, 04:52 PM   #110
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Tomlin is definitely overrated, Steelers fans have wanted to move on for a while, granted fans always see their own situation in a much more negative light than outsiders do
116-60 record is very good but he is also in a historically bad division.

8-7 playoff record tells more of the story IMO, BUT He did win a SB (cowhers team) but still he did win one.

Jon Gruden didn't have this good a record and people think he's god.

Tomlin has also never had a losing season, that is even more impressive because Ben has missed games.

I'd take him over Jay in a heartbeat, he at least gambles more than not...

4&1 on the 40? Jay is punting 95% of the time.

Plus he's from VA, be kinda cool to have a coach from the area.

https://www.pro-football-reference.c...es/TomlMi0.htm
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Old 01-16-2018, 05:42 PM   #111
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Tomlin and Jon Gruden are the two of the most overrated coaches in the history of the league. Gruden actually had a LOSING record his last 6 years in TB and yet he has had teams begging him to coach. I don't get it at all.

Tomlin should have been fired after the game Sun after the onside kick. You basically had 3 timeouts. All you had to do was stop that juggernaut offense of the Jags, get a 3 and out and get the ball back. These coaches sometimes just do the dumbest shit and choke just like the players do. Tomlin choked almost as worse as the Saints DB.
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