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Old 06-05-2005, 06:10 PM   #61
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Re: Talyor 2 Be Charged 4 Aggravated Assault

PROOF THAT WE SHOULDN'T REACH ANY CONCLUSIONS ABOUT THE INCIDENT OR TAYLOR'S FUTURE WITH THE TEAM:

We heard he fired a gun at a house. Then we heard he fired a gun at a car. Now we are hearing he didn't fire the weapon at all.
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Old 06-05-2005, 06:25 PM   #62
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Honestly, I really don't care what the Skins do with this kid. If he is here great. If he is gone great. Doesn't bother me. He has shown zero passion for this team in my opinion. Everyone is busting there ass at mini camps and ota's. But he has to bicker bout a rookie contract. So he is working out at the U of Miami. Give me a break. You know these guys say they are working out down there. But probally work out there one or two times a week. Then just go and party and do whatever else it is that they do. Like wave guns around, shoot at houses, or whatever else they have done in the past. Literally like the only player from Miami that has been drafted in the first round the past few years not to get in troublr or do something stupid, is Vince Wilfork of New England.
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Old 06-05-2005, 06:29 PM   #63
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Re: Talyor 2 Be Charged 4 Aggravated Assault

Here is what the Florida Statutes say about assault and aggravated assault:

784.011 Assault
(1) An "assault" is an intentional, unlawful threat by word or act to do violence to the person of another, coupled with an apparent ability to do so, and doing some act which creates a well-founded fear in such other person that such violence is imminent.

(2) Whoever commits an assault shall be guilty of a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.


784.021 Aggravated assault (What Taylor has been charged with):

(1) An "aggravated assault" is an assault:

(a) With a deadly weapon without intent to kill; or

(b) With an intent to commit a felony.

Based on the "facts" known to us at this time, Taylor is being charged under 784.021 (1)(a). To prove that Taylor is guilty, the State would need to show:
(1) that Taylor brandished a firearm
(2) that Taylor threatened (by word or act) to do harm to the victim
(3) that the victim saw, or knew of, the firearm and reasonably percieved a threat to his person.

The hurdles in convicting Taylor of the above-referenced charge are (1) proving that Taylor brandished a weapon and (2) that Taylor brandished the weapon in connection with threatening acts or words. If the only witnesses to the "incident" are Taylor, his friend, and the victim(s), it comes down to "he said," "she said." It's hard to get a conviction based solely on the testimony of the alleged victim - especially IF that victim is a "shady character" who might have recently taken part in another crime.

A jury MIGHT be sympathetic to Taylor - who just had possessions taken from him and used a firearm when confronting the people who had just stolen property from Taylor.

Moreover, Taylor's "self-defense" claim could be that he was looking for his stolen property, he knew that he might run into the people who stole it, and oftentimes such criminals are armed - so he took along a weapon.

Based on what I currently know, my guess is this that due to the aforementioned hurdles the DA will need to jump to get a felony conviction, the parties will be plead down to Assault (as opposed to Aggravated Assault) - which is a misdemeanor. But, it's too early to tell.

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Re: Talyor 2 Be Charged 4 Aggravated Assault

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PROOF THAT WE SHOULDN'T REACH ANY CONCLUSIONS ABOUT THE INCIDENT OR TAYLOR'S FUTURE WITH THE TEAM:

We heard he fired a gun at a house. Then we heard he fired a gun at a car. Now we are hearing he didn't fire the weapon at all.
Agreed. Once again we should learn a valuable lesson here, and that's not to jump to conclusions until all the facts are known.

He could be guilty of something... looks like right now it's still not clear what that may be.

Until we know more we should hold off on the "cut/trade Taylor" comments.
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Re: Sean Taylor Charged with Aggravated Assault

I hope you're right, RF. But sometimes you get an agressive DA who wants to make a name for him/herself, and these things go a lot farther than they would if a celeb wasn't involved. So the thing might drag on. As for proving the case to a jury, it's all in the witnesses credibility. Taylor's string of "misjudgments" preceeds him. Even if the accusing witnesses are of questionable character, the alleged assailant is as well.

And none of this tells us what Gibbs is going to do.

What a frggin mess.

Best result: plead down to the misdemeanor, Taylor is "scared straight" and is a model citizen for the rest of his long probowl career. (Maybe if I imagine this hard enough, it will happen! )
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Agreed. Once again we should learn a valuable lesson here, and that's not to jump to conclusions until all the facts are known.

He could be guilty of something... looks like right now it's still not clear what that may be.

Until we know more we should hold off on the "cut/trade Taylor" comments.
Thank you Matty!
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Old 06-05-2005, 08:08 PM   #67
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I'd love to not jump to conclusions with this idiot but his past actions only kill his credibility. If this was Darrell Green I'd look at his past and say "no way, it's a set-up or a misunderstanding". With ST, the reaction is "yup, what an idiot". It is not jumping to conclusions to get in the guys' S**t for getting in this situation in the first place. The fact that he's getting arrested in the first place is an indictment on his judgement. His ATVs may or may not have been stolen. So what? Buy yourself a new one and go to the cops. He's got the $$$. Or maybe the Redskins are to blame for not renegotiating his contract and giving him the money he needs to replace his ATV fleet.
Say what you will about guilt/innocence and jumping to conclusions; all I can say is if it smells like a turd, it's a turd.
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I'd love to not jump to conclusions with this idiot but his past actions only kill his credibility. If this was Darrell Green I'd look at his past and say "no way, it's a set-up or a misunderstanding". With ST, the reaction is "yup, what an idiot". It is not jumping to conclusions to get in the guys S**t for getting in this situation in the first place. The fact that he's getting arrested in the first place is an inditement on his judgement. .
Hit the nail on the head. His past is where my judgement is coming from. He'll get his legal day in court, but he's guilty til innocent as far as I am concerned.
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hey at least there's something to talk about
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Hit the nail on the head. His past is where my judgement is coming from. He'll get his legal day in court, [U]but he's guilty til innocent as far as I am concerned.
Exactly!!!! In sports you are guilty until proven innocent. Prime example is baseball and steroids. These players are in the lime light so much that they are held to a higher standard.
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So then how can you state the details of Taylors case as 'fact'? Jury acquital also means that they are free, which is all as fans we really care about, right? Let's be honest, we don't care about how this impacts Taylor or the victim, we care about how it impacts the Redskins.
Paintrain, I have not tried to tell anyone on this board what happened in this case. I don't know except for what I have read (just like everyone else). The problem I had was with your statement about jury's deciding fact. That statement was just plain incorrect. That's like saying that because he got off on the DUI charge he wasn't legally drunk. Whoever beleives that is an idiot. He had the money to pay a good lawyer. Period.

Now, you make a new statement about what "we" care about. So, then how can you state the details of what I care about? You don't.

To be honest, I want to know if the guys that he did this to (according to the reports) actaully did steal the ATV. If they did, I will feel very different than I will if they didn't. And, it does not matter how it impacts the skins if he did this to innocent people. I worry about society in general over the team. If he did it to innocent people, he should go down for it. If got the right guys, he made a mistake, but they got what they deserved. If would have just called the cops things would have been easier on us all.
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Old 06-05-2005, 09:40 PM   #72
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Re: Sean Taylor Charged with Aggravated Assault

I need to add to the speculation:

question, When were the police called?

If a man comes to my house, pulls a gun on me and leaves, I'm going to call the police.

since taylor came back 10 minutes later and the police werent there, can i assume they didnt call the police after they were assaulted?

let's not forget that people try to extort money from athletes all the time.
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Old 06-05-2005, 09:40 PM   #73
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i hope he doesn't get imprisoned or anything like that. we can't say anything until the whole trial is over. until then, i hope taylor realizes where he should be, and i hope this erases any thoughts about him holding out or doing bad thigns in the future.
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I'd love to not jump to conclusions

just a little fun trivia.

in what movie did someone have the idea and finally invent the "jump to conlusions mat" ?

hint, he had the idea when he worked in a office and made the mat after collecting a huge settlement for getting into an automobile accident that caused him to be in a wheelchair.
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just a little fun trivia.

in what movie did someone have the idea and finally invent the "jump to conlusions mat" ?

hint, he had the idea when he worked in a office and made the mat after collecting a huge settlement for getting into an automobile accident that caused him to be in a wheelchair.
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