Taylor's 2005 Season Likely Unaffected by Charges

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 06-08-2005, 01:17 AM

I bet 90% of Redskins fan thought that Taylor wouldn't start for the Skins in 2005. As the Washington Times article points out:

(1) Taylor's trial likely won't start until 2006.
(2) The league is unlikely to punish Taylor until 2006.
(3) The Redskins are unlikely to bench/suspend Taylor until 2006.

You wanna talk about a negative turning into a positive; whereas before Taylor's arrest it was possible that Taylor would have held out of training camp, now even Taylor is unlikely to hold out (he's got enough bad press).
Moreover, Taylor will probably be playing in 2005 like it's his last season (as it possibly could be). Can you imagine the hits he's going to deliver?

jamf · 06-08-2005, 01:48 AM

There's nothing positive about his arrest.

ST could be innocent. If he is, he will still be looking for a new contract.

If ST accepts a lesser charge(most likely scenario), he will be suspended for 4 games(IMHO). Then, the person/people he assaulted will file a civil suit against him and take what money he has. so ST will hold out in 2006.

Now if ST takes the case to trial, he will not be concerned about football. there is not a black man on this earth that wants his life in the hands of a jury in south. i hate to play the race card, but realisticly, sean will be worried about the jury, not football.

he will try to be a model citizen, but lets face it, ST is a headcase who is more worried about his socks than football. he will revert to his old ways soon enough.

jacobyfan · 06-08-2005, 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by jamf

Now if ST takes the case to trial, he will not be concerned about football. there is not a black man on this earth that wants his life in the hands of a jury in south. i hate to play the race card, but realisticly, sean will be worried about the jury, not football.

Racism is not ok, but bigoted ignorant remarks about southerners are, apparently.

ST21 · 06-08-2005, 02:16 AM

If we cut Sean Taylor and he walk away with this with less than probation...and ends up in history being one of the best Safties in the world...then what......lets see what happens first.......then judge

e16bball · 06-08-2005, 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by jacobyfan

Racism is not ok, but bigoted ignorant remarks about southerners are, apparently.

And particularly inaccurate remarks about "southerners."

A little research led me to discover this little fact:

Of the 2,253,362 citizens of Miami-Dade county, 1,291,737 are Hispanic/Latino, and 457,214 are black. For those without a calculator handy, that means that 1,748,951 are non-Caucasian, or 77.6%, and that doesn't even count Asians or other ethnicities. So, luckily for Mr. Taylor, less than 1/4 of the jury pool will be made up of these damn racist white southerners you mentioned.

I really do hate to pile on, especially when I know others will follow on top of me, but you honestly should think carefully before "playing the race card," or making other highly incendiary comments, for that matter. Miami is a city. Demographics are certainly not Sean Taylor's enemy in this situation. It's one thing to bring up race as a divisive factor when you are correct, it's completely another when you are totally incorrect about it in addition to possibly insulting people.

e16bball · 06-08-2005, 03:07 AM

In response to the thread's topic, this comes as no surprise to me, as I have been one of the few Redskins fans in the world (or so it seems anyway) continually trying to convince others that Taylor will face no jail time and will be a factor this year (not so much convincing to do here, but certainly over at old Extremeskins). He committed a crime that even an average Joe would get off from with probation, and he can certainly retain more skilled legal counsel than old average Joe. He may face repercussions from the league, or even conceivably from the Redskins despite their statement to the contrary, but that is it. He will be out there dominating per his usual. And obviously by usual, I mean Willie Parker type hits. Every game.

TheMalcolmConnection · 06-08-2005, 07:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jamf

There's nothing positive about his arrest.

ST could be innocent. If he is, he will still be looking for a new contract.

If ST accepts a lesser charge(most likely scenario), he will be suspended for 4 games(IMHO). Then, the person/people he assaulted will file a civil suit against him and take what money he has. so ST will hold out in 2006.

Now if ST takes the case to trial, he will not be concerned about football. there is not a black man on this earth that wants his life in the hands of a jury in south. i hate to play the race card, but realisticly, sean will be worried about the jury, not football.

he will try to be a model citizen, but lets face it, ST is a headcase who is more worried about his socks than football. he will revert to his old ways soon enough.

How in the world would he ask for a new contract?!

"I just got done with my trial, possibly being suspended a few games and NOW I DEMAND that you give me a new contract."

I REAAAAALLY don't think that is a likely scenario. And I agree with e16bball, don't play the race card unless you know the facts. Taylor's representation will destroy any court-appointed attornies those other schmucks can afford.

PSUSkinsFan21 · 06-08-2005, 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by e16bball

In response to the thread's topic, this comes as no surprise to me, as I have been one of the few Redskins fans in the world (or so it seems anyway) continually trying to convince others that Taylor will face no jail time and will be a factor this year (not so much convincing to do here, but certainly over at old Extremeskins). He committed a crime that even an average Joe would get off from with probation, and he can certainly retain more skilled legal counsel than old average Joe. He may face repercussions from the league, or even conceivably from the Redskins despite their statement to the contrary, but that is it. He will be out there dominating per his usual. And obviously by usual, I mean Willie Parker type hits. Every game.

Actually he allegedly comitted a gun crime in a state that imposes a mandatory minimum of 3 years. If he's guilty, neither the average Joe nor ST will get off on probation.

Schneed10 · 06-08-2005, 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jamf

There's nothing positive about his arrest.

ST could be innocent. If he is, he will still be looking for a new contract.

If ST accepts a lesser charge(most likely scenario), he will be suspended for 4 games(IMHO). Then, the person/people he assaulted will file a civil suit against him and take what money he has. so ST will hold out in 2006.

Now if ST takes the case to trial, he will not be concerned about football. there is not a black man on this earth that wants his life in the hands of a jury in south. i hate to play the race card, but realisticly, sean will be worried about the jury, not football.

he will try to be a model citizen, but lets face it, ST is a headcase who is more worried about his socks than football. he will revert to his old ways soon enough.

To site administrators, I know I said I'd never get personal, but hopefully you'll see how it's deserved in this instance.

JAMF, you're a moron.

Schneed10 · 06-08-2005, 08:45 AM

On the thread subject, I do see a positive out of the situation. Taylor is going to have major troubles off the field this year, as the trial will be hanging over his head all season long. I think he'll look at football as his escape from his troubles. Once he gets on the field practicing and playing in games, I think he'll realize that he needs football in his life so he's not constantly thinking about his trial and the potential for jail. I think he'll play with passion this year.

I don't think this legal issue has any bearing on his desires for a new contract.

PSUSkinsFan21 · 06-08-2005, 08:53 AM

I agree with Schneed that this could be a big wakeup call for ST and make him realize how important football should be to him.

I think the only bearing it could have on the new contract is that it takes away his bargaining power. Rosenhaus has to know that no team is going to renegotiate and shell out millions more in bonus money for a player that could be looking at significant jail time. If I'm the skins, I gotta say to Sean: "look, we'd love to pay you more, but we can't make that kind of investment until we know how your legal issues shake out." Imagine giving the guy another 7 million, just to have him spend 3 years in jail. Whether we think he'll actually ever see jail time or not, the skins can play that card if ST thinks about renegotiating.

Schneed10 · 06-08-2005, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by PSUSkinsFan21

I agree with Schneed that this could be a big wakeup call for ST and make him realize how important football should be to him.

I think the only bearing it could have on the new contract is that it takes away his bargaining power. Rosenhaus has to know that no team is going to renegotiate and shell out millions more in bonus money for a player that could be looking at significant jail time. If I'm the skins, I gotta say to Sean: "look, we'd love to pay you more, but we can't make that kind of investment until we know how your legal issues shake out." Imagine giving the guy another 7 million, just to have him spend 3 years in jail. Whether we think he'll actually ever see jail time or not, the skins can play that card if ST thinks about renegotiating.

Yeah and on that note, the almighty dollar may be exactly what ends up getting through to Taylor. When he realizes that nobody will want to pay him while he's a legal risk, then just maybe he'll learn to keep his nose clean. I sure hope so.

Sean"Big Hurt"Taylor · 06-08-2005, 09:55 AM

I'm just glad that he might get a chance to play football. He is our playmaker on defense like reed and lewis are for the ravens. our defense will not be as good as it was last year without taylor. also i think that if anything he will get probation. just as long as he did not have a gun.

"Innocent until proven."--Sean Taylor

Sean"Big Hurt"Taylor · 06-08-2005, 09:56 AM

I'm just glad that he might get a chance to play football. He is our playmaker on defense like reed and lewis are for the ravens. our defense will not be as good as it was last year without taylor. also i think that if anything he will get probation. just as long as he did not have a gun.

"Innocent until proven guilty."--Sean Taylor

PSUSkinsFan21 · 06-08-2005, 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Yeah and on that note, the almighty dollar may be exactly what ends up getting through to Taylor. When he realizes that nobody will want to pay him while he's a legal risk, then just maybe he'll learn to keep his nose clean. I sure hope so.

Amen!

06-08-2005, 01:17 AM	#1
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 34 Posts: 8,317	Taylor's 2005 Season Likely Unaffected by Charges I bet 90% of Redskins fan thought that Taylor wouldn't start for the Skins in 2005. As the Washington Times article points out: (1) Taylor's trial likely won't start until 2006. (2) The league is unlikely to punish Taylor until 2006. (3) The Redskins are unlikely to bench/suspend Taylor until 2006. You wanna talk about a negative turning into a positive; whereas before Taylor's arrest it was possible that Taylor would have held out of training camp, now even Taylor is unlikely to hold out (he's got enough bad press). Moreover, Taylor will probably be playing in 2005 like it's his last season (as it possibly could be). Can you imagine the hits he's going to deliver?

06-08-2005, 01:48 AM	#2
jamf The Starter Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: San Diego Ca Posts: 2,178	Re: Taylor's 2005 Season Likely Unaffected by Charges There's nothing positive about his arrest. ST could be innocent. If he is, he will still be looking for a new contract. If ST accepts a lesser charge(most likely scenario), he will be suspended for 4 games(IMHO). Then, the person/people he assaulted will file a civil suit against him and take what money he has. so ST will hold out in 2006. Now if ST takes the case to trial, he will not be concerned about football. there is not a black man on this earth that wants his life in the hands of a jury in south. i hate to play the race card, but realisticly, sean will be worried about the jury, not football. he will try to be a model citizen, but lets face it, ST is a headcase who is more worried about his socks than football. he will revert to his old ways soon enough.

06-08-2005, 02:16 AM	#4
ST21 Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 519	Re: Taylor's 2005 Season Likely Unaffected by Charges If we cut Sean Taylor and he walk away with this with less than probation...and ends up in history being one of the best Safties in the world...then what......lets see what happens first.......then judge

06-08-2005, 03:07 AM	#6
e16bball Special Teams Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 163	Re: Taylor's 2005 Season Likely Unaffected by Charges In response to the thread's topic, this comes as no surprise to me, as I have been one of the few Redskins fans in the world (or so it seems anyway) continually trying to convince others that Taylor will face no jail time and will be a factor this year (not so much convincing to do here, but certainly over at old Extremeskins). He committed a crime that even an average Joe would get off from with probation, and he can certainly retain more skilled legal counsel than old average Joe. He may face repercussions from the league, or even conceivably from the Redskins despite their statement to the contrary, but that is it. He will be out there dominating per his usual. And obviously by usual, I mean Willie Parker type hits. Every game.

06-08-2005, 08:45 AM	#10
Schneed10 RG Glee Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Newtown Square, PA Age: 33 Posts: 7,892	Re: Taylor's 2005 Season Likely Unaffected by Charges On the thread subject, I do see a positive out of the situation. Taylor is going to have major troubles off the field this year, as the trial will be hanging over his head all season long. I think he'll look at football as his escape from his troubles. Once he gets on the field practicing and playing in games, I think he'll realize that he needs football in his life so he's not constantly thinking about his trial and the potential for jail. I think he'll play with passion this year. I don't think this legal issue has any bearing on his desires for a new contract.

06-08-2005, 08:53 AM	#11
PSUSkinsFan21 The Starter Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Philadelphia, PA Age: 36 Posts: 1,340	Re: Taylor's 2005 Season Likely Unaffected by Charges I agree with Schneed that this could be a big wakeup call for ST and make him realize how important football should be to him. I think the only bearing it could have on the new contract is that it takes away his bargaining power. Rosenhaus has to know that no team is going to renegotiate and shell out millions more in bonus money for a player that could be looking at significant jail time. If I'm the skins, I gotta say to Sean: "look, we'd love to pay you more, but we can't make that kind of investment until we know how your legal issues shake out." Imagine giving the guy another 7 million, just to have him spend 3 years in jail. Whether we think he'll actually ever see jail time or not, the skins can play that card if ST thinks about renegotiating. __________________ "Hail to the Redskins!" and "Fight on State!"

06-08-2005, 09:55 AM	#13
Sean"Big Hurt"Taylor Special Teams Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Queens Village, NY Age: 32 Posts: 349	Re: Taylor's 2005 Season Likely Unaffected by Charges I'm just glad that he might get a chance to play football. He is our playmaker on defense like reed and lewis are for the ravens. our defense will not be as good as it was last year without taylor. also i think that if anything he will get probation. just as long as he did not have a gun. "Innocent until proven."--Sean Taylor

06-08-2005, 09:56 AM	#14
Sean"Big Hurt"Taylor Special Teams Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Queens Village, NY Age: 32 Posts: 349	Re: Taylor's 2005 Season Likely Unaffected by Charges I'm just glad that he might get a chance to play football. He is our playmaker on defense like reed and lewis are for the ravens. our defense will not be as good as it was last year without taylor. also i think that if anything he will get probation. just as long as he did not have a gun. "Innocent until proven guilty."--Sean Taylor

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