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Old 06-12-2005, 12:30 AM   #31
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Re: Do you guys think ramsey the answer at qb

Ramsey was used as a punching bag under Spurrier and spent most of that season eating turf.
You can't blame it all on Ramsey. It all starts with the offensive line.
Our line stuggled last year without Jansen, and he protects the QB's blind side. Raymer and Friedman weren't the best at center. Dockery struggled too. This had an impact on Ramsey who was sacked 23 times. The knock on Ramsey is that he holds onto the ball too long, but this can be corrected. This season I have a cause for optimism with our improved line (heathly Jansen, and better center, Rabach) Ramsey should do better. We saw a glimpse of this towards the end of last season when Ramsey started to become comfortable in Joe's system, and they opened the offense a little, and I liked how Patrick performed. Gibbs is tinkering with the offense, will put in the shotgun, which should also help. He really needs a full season under Gibbs to see his full potential. Ramsey is the key to our entire season---if he can't throw the ball down field then the other teams will crowd the line and stop our running game. And it will be like last year, our defense will be very good, and our offense will suck and we will have another 6-10 season......We can look back with hindsight and speculate what would've happened had Gibbs gone with Ramsey from the start last season....but that's the past and we gotta go with Patrick and see what we got, if he isn't the answer, then here comes Campbell.
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Old 06-12-2005, 12:32 AM   #32
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I think everyone knows my position on Ramsey.
hmmmmmmmmmmm with a nickname of Ramseyfan let me guess
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Old 06-12-2005, 03:23 AM   #33
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Re: Do you guys think ramsey the answer at qb

Well...in the history of Redskin QB's, the last one that I truly believed in was Theismann. Even when D. Williams and Rypien were starting, they always made me nervous. Joey T. was just so friggin' competitive and he hated the Cowboys and would do just about anything to shove it in their faces. There's some great old video of Joey T. spiking the ball at the helmet of a puss-ass cowboy in the endzone after he scored and a fight erupted. Great days indeed!! I would like to see a little passion and fire and heart out of Patrick. If he can tap into that, maybe that will vault him into a big game kind of player. Like I said earlier, this is THE year for him. If strides are not made, he will be gone. But I am pulling for the kid and I am still more comfortable with him starting than the rook or BooNell.
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Old 06-12-2005, 07:28 AM   #34
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The three QB's you mention GoSkins who don't have Rings, Vick, McNabb, and Culpepper are all play-off QB's. While they may not have a Ring yet they all are closer to getting one than PR. The age has arrived in the NFL where mobile QB's are going to be premium because the way Defense's play today, imobile QB's are going to be sitting ducks. And while I agree Ripen was not in the least bit mobile, at the time he was playing he was without a doubt the best long-ball thrower in the league, and these words came from his favorite receiver "Gary Clark". In addition Ripen was protected by one of the very best O lines that ever played the game. I will be extremely elated if and when PR can reach that plateau.
I guess maybe what I said sounded wrong. So, let me clarify... I agree that the mobile QB's (Vick, McNabb, Culpepper) are premium QB's in the NFL. I agree that as defenses get more agressive (blitzing), the need for the mobile QB's increases. My statement is that, as counter-intuitive as it may seem, plenty of immoble, pocke QB's win the big game. This happens even when they face good mobile QB's (Warner / Mcnarr, Brady, McNabb).
I beleive that we may have seen the last of the flat footed QB's who can still make it to the big game without getting killed, but I'm smart enough to realize that there is no statistic for me to base that belief on, just a feeling.

One quote from gibbs I will always remember is when he was talking about his QB's and said something like:
"If you can really protect your QB, there are probalbly about 15- 20 in the league that can take you all the way. If you don't, there are only one or two."
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Old 06-12-2005, 10:49 AM   #35
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Ramsey's horrid stats from his relief appearance have come up a couple of times in this thread (and many others), so I'd like to point out that, unlike some other teams, the 2nd string QB gets just about zero reps during weekly practice. Ramsey looked bad that day, but his sinis were sins of aggression (throwing into tight coverage on "homerun" plays) while trying to come from behind. That's hard under any circumstance, much harder when you've gone nearly a month since any meaningful practice with the players on the field.

defensewins is right - you can't throw out bad games. But you should look at the circumstances surrounding them.
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Old 06-12-2005, 11:24 AM   #36
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I am just so excited about the 2005 season cant wait. Even for the preseason that shoul dbe alot of fun too.
hmmm . . . I say that every year and then . . .
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There's only one way to find out who's right or wrong in this neverending Ramsey debate. And that's sit back and watch the 2005 season. Next year we'll know where we stand with Ramsey.
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Old 06-12-2005, 02:37 PM   #38
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You know Matty I was about to say the same thing!!!
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Old 06-13-2005, 03:16 AM   #39
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Ramsey will get the job done !!!!!!!!!!
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Old 06-13-2005, 08:00 AM   #40
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[QUOTE=portistothehouse]To me the problem with Ramsey is that his just not that good.

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You are right! Welcome to the board ptth! He's not! But he is better than Brunnell, and only has to stay upright in camp to be better (at least for now) than Campbell. It is P. Ram's job to lose. Campbell would have to prove a to be a tremendous combination of smarts and skills, combined with the ability to do it all with only 1/4 of the reps.
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Re: Do you guys think ramsey the answer at qb

Argh. ANOTHER Ramsey thread...
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Old 06-13-2005, 09:10 AM   #42
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Our WHOLE team has to step up...not just Ramsey. Period.
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Old 06-13-2005, 01:04 PM   #43
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For once, offiss I agree with you
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Old 06-13-2005, 01:13 PM   #44
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I agree with what you say about Gibbs, but I DO believe Brunell got THAT bad THAT fast. I mean regardless of who or what the coach says and does, you don't lose your timing like that.

That being said, I think he had a fluke bad year. I think he's still OK.
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Old 06-13-2005, 08:02 PM   #45
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Everyone want's to lay our problems at Ramsey's feet, as if Gibbs is infaliable, does anyone really believe Brunnel is as bad as he looked last season? Brunnel was having a tremendous year for the Jag's. before he was hurt the season before and now we are to believe he couldn't throw a ball if his life depended on it? Most of Ramseys problem's are Gibbs problems, the better Gibbs is this year the better Ramsey will be this year.
Brunell played well but I'm not sure I'd call 2 TD pases in 3 games tremendous
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