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Old 07-05-2005, 06:37 PM   #1
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Top 10 reasons why the Skins won't win 10 games this year

10. The football gods have hated on the Skins for so long, why stop now?

9. The "upgrades" at WR are questionable at best. Moss has had one good year in the league and is fragile. Patten has been a career backup.

8. Will the so called changes to the running game be enough? I can't see Gibbs totally abandoning his beloved counter plays, and Portis never seemed to warm up to the idea of playing John Riggins. Was the Portis-Gibbs duo destined to fail from the start and a horrible mismatch of styles?

7. We've heard all about Gibbs adding the shotgun, but how much will it actually be used, and what difference will it really make? He experimented with it briefly in 1984, what happens the first time a snap goes over the QB's head? Will he stick with it?

6. Casey Rabach was a productive starter for one season. Who's to say he'll mesh with a different line, coaches and system?

5. The loss of Antonio Pierce.

4. The loss of Fred Smoot.

3. Patrick Ramsey has been inconsistent his entire career, who's to say he can improve enough to lead a playoff run? Gibbs' hand-picking of Brunell and Campbell doesn't say much for his long-term confidence in Ramsey.

2. The defense played incredibly well last year, perhaps they overacheived and did it with smoke and mirrors. We still don't have a true pass rushing threat, and the loss of two key defenders could prove to be too much. What happens if poor LaVar still isn't happy?

1. While Gibbs did have a lot of difficult circumstances to overcome last year, it was disturbing how lost and out of sorts he looked at times. Dare I say he looked Spurrier-esque at times. The poor clock management, the blown replay challenges, the questionable playcalling, etc.

Has the game really passed him by? His past acheivements are something to admire and he has a bust in Canton to speak to that, but his past acheivements aren't going to win games for him in today's NFL. This past offseason has been messy to say the least. The Coles situation, Sean Taylor, the questionable draft pick of Campbell, etc. Gibbs has alot to prove this year, the main thing he needs to prove is can he win games?
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Old 07-05-2005, 07:03 PM   #2
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Re: Top 10 reasons why the Skins won't win 10 games this year

Great posts on both sides Matty. Glad to see the other side of it!
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Old 07-05-2005, 08:48 PM   #3
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Re: Top 10 reasons why the Skins won't win 10 games this year

Jon Jansen isn't totally healthy

Chris Cooley is no longer a surprise

No one is ready to step in as MLB/QB of the defense

LaVar continues to make more news off the field, than on

We invest so much in someone, Jason Campbell, who can't help us now

Taylor Jacobs continues to be about potential, and not production

Offenses figure out how to stop our defense
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Re: Top 10 reasons why the Skins won't win 10 games this year

10. The football gods have hated on the Skins for so long, why stop now?

Answer: Because Snyder has is becoming more warm and cuddly with age

9. The "upgrades" at WR are questionable at best. Moss has had one good year in the league and is fragile. Patten has been a career backup.

Answer: Moss doesn't miss games. He runs out of bounds. Patten may be a career backup, but he is the only receiver who has been around long enough to say he had an NFL career. He's proved he can play at this level.

8. Will the so called changes to the running game be enough? I can't see Gibbs totally abandoning his beloved counter plays, and Portis never seemed to warm up to the idea of playing John Riggins. Was the Portis-Gibbs duo destined to fail from the start and a horrible mismatch of styles?

Answer: Gibbs brought up to the team and media which plays worked best. He obviously understands.

7. We've heard all about Gibbs adding the shotgun, but how much will it actually be used, and what difference will it really make? He experimented with it briefly in 1984, what happens the first time a snap goes over the QB's head? Will he stick with it?

Answer: We don't need the shot gun to be successful anyway.

6. Casey Rabach was a productive starter for one season. Who's to say he'll mesh with a different line, coaches and system?

Answer: If he just adds depth to the line, it's a plus. I think he will add more.

5. The loss of Antonio Pierce.

Answer: Holdman, Barrow, Marshall, Clemons, McCune..........

4. The loss of Fred Smoot.

Answer: 2nd round pick eplaced by a 1st round pick... and added Hawkins just in case.

3. Patrick Ramsey has been inconsistent his entire career, who's to say he can improve enough to lead a playoff run? Gibbs' hand-picking of Brunell and Campbell doesn't say much for his long-term confidence in Ramsey.

Answer: 69% completions over last 5 games last year. Rabach and Portis both have commented on how good he is looking this year.

2. The defense played incredibly well last year, perhaps they overacheived and did it with smoke and mirrors. We still don't have a true pass rushing threat, and the loss of two key defenders could prove to be too much. What happens if poor LaVar still isn't happy?

Answer: Same coaches, second year in the system, more healthy players. Last year Lavar was broke anyway.

1. While Gibbs did have a lot of difficult circumstances to overcome last year, it was disturbing how lost and out of sorts he looked at times. Dare I say he looked Spurrier-esque at times. The poor clock management, the blown replay challenges, the questionable playcalling, etc.

Has the game really passed him by? His past acheivements are something to admire and he has a bust in Canton to speak to that, but his past acheivements aren't going to win games for him in today's NFL. This past offseason has been messy to say the least. The Coles situation, Sean Taylor, the questionable draft pick of Campbell, etc. Gibbs has alot to prove this year, the main thing he needs to prove is can he win games?

Answer: If the game passed him by, he is gaining back on it fast. The offensive changes he made in the last 6 games of last season proved effective. Gibbs attention to detail has not wained. His desire to win burns as strong as ever. He learns from his mistakes... better clock management, optimized play calling, etc. With an improved Gibbs and consistant Williams, I would hate to be the other team trying to prepare for the can of woop ass the Skins will be releasing on them this season!

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Re: Top 10 reasons why the Skins won't win 10 games this year

Where have I seen this list before?

Oh, yeah, over on the "Why the Skins will win 10"! This must be the flip side of the album (CD).

Note to readers: Albums were from my day (I'm old)! CDs from your day!
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Where have I seen this list before?

Oh, yeah, over on the "Why the Skins will win 10"! This must be the flip side of the album (CD).

Note to readers: Albums were from my day (I'm old)! CDs from your day!
Al - bum?

Doesn't he write for the Detroit Free Press?

Kidding. I'm old, too.
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Al - bum?

Doesn't he write for the Detroit Free Press?

Kidding. I'm old, too.
LOL, that's great....sigh whatever happened to good old vinyls and B-sides. Remember when we used to take those 33 RPMs and speed it up to 45 to pretend we were listening to Alvin and the Chipmunks sign Van Halen? Good times...but I digress
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Re: Top 10 reasons why the Skins won't win 10 games this year

10. The football gods have hated on the Skins for so long, why stop now?

I don't believe in fate or karma or gods.

9. The "upgrades" at WR are questionable at best. Moss has had one good year in the league and is fragile. Patten has been a career backup.

Agreed, questionable upgrades. But they're faster, they don't drop passes like Gardner, and they don't have bum toes. Most importantly, they WANT to be here, and won't kill team chemistry.

8. Will the so called changes to the running game be enough? I can't see Gibbs totally abandoning his beloved counter plays, and Portis never seemed to warm up to the idea of playing John Riggins. Was the Portis-Gibbs duo destined to fail from the start and a horrible mismatch of styles?

John Riggins, under Gibbs, put up the following average yards per carry figures:
1981: 3.7
1982: 3.1
1983: 3.6
1984: 3.8
1985: 3.8

Portis rushed for 3.8 yards per carry last year. I think we'd be singing Portis's praises if he just scored some TDs last year. Which is exactly why we drafted White and Broughton. Plus, Betts can run the grinding plays, Gibbs trusts him now. Portis will run the stretches and cut-backs.

7. We've heard all about Gibbs adding the shotgun, but how much will it actually be used, and what difference will it really make? He experimented with it briefly in 1984, what happens the first time a snap goes over the QB's head? Will he stick with it?

Who cares. I don't think the shotgun matters one iota. It's the quality of the QB, not the formation.

6. Casey Rabach was a productive starter for one season. Who's to say he'll mesh with a different line, coaches and system?

He's smart as a whip, my money is on him teamed up with Bugel. Might see some initial growing pains though.

5. The loss of Antonio Pierce.

Touche. This is the biggest issue facing the defense.

4. The loss of Fred Smoot.

Walt Harris is very good. I'd only be concerned about depth in the beginning of the season until Rogers is up to speed.

3. Patrick Ramsey has been inconsistent his entire career, who's to say he can improve enough to lead a playoff run? Gibbs' hand-picking of Brunell and Campbell doesn't say much for his long-term confidence in Ramsey.

In 1985 Jay Schroeder was brought in even though we had Theismann. In 1986, Doug Williams was brought in even though we had Schroeder. And in 1988, Mark Rypien was drafted even though we had Doug Williams.

Ramsey's QB rating during his starts last year was 85. A full season of that, and QB will NOT be our problem.

2. The defense played incredibly well last year, perhaps they overacheived and did it with smoke and mirrors. We still don't have a true pass rushing threat, and the loss of two key defenders could prove to be too much. What happens if poor LaVar still isn't happy?

Gregg Williams will have them playing well. He was fine last year without Lavar. He was fine without Bowen. He was fine without a pass-rushing DE of ANY kind. But the one thing he does need is great corners and a smart LB, those are the only questions facing the D.

1. While Gibbs did have a lot of difficult circumstances to overcome last year, it was disturbing how lost and out of sorts he looked at times. Dare I say he looked Spurrier-esque at times. The poor clock management, the blown replay challenges, the questionable playcalling, etc.

Gibbs definintely knows he needs to be better on certain things. I can't think of a coach who will work harder than him to make things right.
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Old 07-06-2005, 09:06 AM   #9
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Re: Top 10 reasons why the Skins won't win 10 games this year

Matty - At first glance, I only have one issue with these particular arguements. In one line, you bash Moss as being fragile and only having one good year, but then in another line, you praise Antonio Pierce as if he's been a stud for several years. If my memory serves me correctly, Pierce missed 1/2 of his 2nd season (and has only played in 4 thus far) due to injuries. Likewise, last year is the only good year Pierce has had. Point being, if you're going to use injuries and/or only having 1 good year against Moss, keep them in mind when you sing Pierce's praises because he's been injured and has had only one good year too.
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Old 07-06-2005, 09:10 AM   #10
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NOTE: When I said I only had issues with one thing, that's not true. I will argue every one of those points, as I truly believe that Gibbs will start turning this ship around this year. My first thought, when reading that post was "Et Tu Matty", but then I saw that he had posted a "10 reasons they WILL win more than 10 games", so I'm guessing that Matty's simply trying to give us something to talk about, discuss, or argue. But the one glaring thing that bothered me was the whole "only one good year" thing.....it sounded like something one of my buddies would say (the ones who aren't skins fans and use that type of logic to bash my team).
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Old 07-06-2005, 09:54 AM   #11
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Well, let us not forget that we had a chance of winning every single game we played in last year - nearly beating the Eagles....

The line was thin between having a winning season with a playoff appearance and the season that we had. If we were getting blown out of every single game we lost, then I would agree that things didn't work at all last year. Certainly, that wasn't the case.

Do we need to improve? Definitely of course!!! Do we need to open up our offense? You betcha!! Was our offense completely broken down last year? While very unproductive - it improved as the season went along but we definitely need to score more than 14 points in a ball game.
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Old 07-06-2005, 10:02 AM   #12
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The point of this thread was for me to play devil's advocate to the thread I posted about the team winning 10 games, and actually it's kinda fun.

Schneed10, you point out John Riggins' per carry averages, but Portis is NOT John Riggins. If we continue to pound him into the line for 3 yards and a cloud of dust is that really productive and playing to his strengths?

Somebody else pointed out the MLB depth to take over for Pierce, let me address that one. Barrow missed all of last season with a mysterious injury and is no guarantee to even make the roster. Holdman couldn't hold down a job with the Browns. McCune is a manimal and looks great in pads, but can he actually play?? Yes Pierce was a one year starter but let's no overlook the outstanding job he did. I find it hard to believe his presence in the middle won't be missed on some level.

Someone said Moss doesn't miss games? Checking on NFL.com it appears he's missed a few starts over the last two seasons. I do know that he's been frequently banged up with hamstring injuries. Also, weren't the Jets ready to demote him to their #3 WR this year?

As for Patten, facts are facts, the guy has been a career backup. Yes he knows how to play in this league but the jury is still out as to whether he can be a WR that can be counted on game in and game out. Perhaps there's a legit reason he's been a career backup?
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Old 07-06-2005, 10:23 AM   #13
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I don't know why people do not give Williams and our D credit for their success.They over achieved is just wrong. Williams took mostly average players and tought them how to play their position and the position of other players. He could plug in the player he wanted for the formation he was running. They stuck to their assignments and made the play. They swarmed to the ball and gang tackled on almost every play. Our D was probably under more presure than any D in the league and played their asses off.They will even be better this year with another year in the system.
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I don't know why people do not give Williams and our D credit for their success.They over achieved is just wrong. Williams took mostly average players and tought them how to play their position and the position of other players. He could plug in the player he wanted for the formation he was running. They stuck to their assignments and made the play. They swarmed to the ball and gang tackled on almost every play. Our D was probably under more presure than any D in the league and played their asses off.They will even be better this year with another year in the system.
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