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Old 07-07-2005, 07:38 PM   #61
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sociofan....oh my god...now randy moss is overrated....how do you all come up with this, and Deion the best shut down cb in the league, oh yeah defensive player of the year.....numerious pro bowls, he has what 3 superbowl.....yeah and he's going to the hall of fame....yeah i guess if thats overrated, i can see how everyone in here think vick is........i'll take Vick over Ramsey nervious ass
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Sorry?? For what? Having an opinion? Come on we all have opinion's, nothing to be sorry for.
I should have clarified, I'm sorry you're wrong

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Old 07-07-2005, 08:03 PM   #63
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FOR AFICAN AMERICAN PEOPLE, ITS BEEN ALONG TIME COMING, BEFORE THERE WERE SUCH THING AS A COLORED QB, IT WAS SAID WE WEREN'T SMART ENOUGH, WE WERN'T GOOD ENOUGH TO BE A TEAM LEADER, THEN WARREN MOON, CAME ALONG AND THEN DOUG WILLIAMS WINS A SUPERBOWL, DID YOU KNOW THAT WARREN MOON IS SECOND TO DAN MARINO, IN PASSING YARDS...FYI, AND NOW THE LEAGUE MOST EXCITING PLAYERS ARE VICK, MCNABB, CULPEPPER, ITS AMAZING, IF VICK USES HIS SKILLS AT HIS POSTIONS, HES OVERRATED, BUT IF PEYTON USES HIS BRAIN, THEN HE HEAD AND SHOULDERS ABOVE VICK, NOT TRUE PEYTON IS HEAD AND SHOULDERS ABOVE EVERY QB....BUT TO MOST OF US VICK IS A HERO, WE RELATE TO THOSE PLAYERS...BOTTOM LINE, VICK HAS CHANGE THE FACE OF FOOTBALL, DO YOU HAVE TO STAND IN THE POCKET TO BE GREAT...IS FRAN TARKENTON IN THE HALL OF FAME, HIS WORST SEASON HE WAS 49% AND HIS BEST HE WAS AT 64%...CAREER 57%, 342 TD AND 266 INT's one season he rushed 62 times in one season, according to most hear he would be a very overrated player........
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Old 07-07-2005, 08:12 PM   #64
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Lavar may be the most overrated player, but the Seahawk have to be the most overrated team. Every year I hear these analysts predict how great of a year they are going to have just to see them get blown away early in the playoffs. Heck, even we beat them..
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Old 07-07-2005, 09:49 PM   #65
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WeWhite - First of all, calm down with the capitilization. It's tedious to read that crap, just use regular sentences. The nice thing about this board is using all caps isn't necessary because most everyone reads the entire post.

Also, I've never seen someone incorporate so much racism into football. I don't know a single person who sees a black guy behind center and says "He can't be a QB." The fact of the matter is Vick isn't a prototypical QB whereas Peyton Manning is. Peyton Manning is very smart, great at reading defenses, and calls his own plays, I honestly don't think that Vick can handle or acheive any of that. Before you call me some sort of racist lets look at the backround I know on Vick: 1) Couldn't handle Dan Reeves system. The terminology and plays had to be simplified for Vick to understand them. 2) My friends sister tutored him while she was at tech. My friend (who by the way is the biggest vick fan in the world) said that his sister told him that Vick was by far the dumbest person she ever met. That doesn't speak volumes for him when it comes to reading defenses.

Vick is an exciting player, he's a great scrambler, but he still has work to do to become a great QB. It's like calling an H-Back a TE. Kinda -- but not really. His arm strength is great, his scrambling is the best we've ever seen, and he has potential out his ass. Not having any receivers besides Crumpler doesn't exactly help his cause, but he's not yet a very good passer. I think he'll slowly make the transition as his body gets older/takes more abuse he'll have to protect himself more. Funny you mention McNabb, he became an all-pro when he started to pass more (though he's not accurate either).

For someone who brings racism up at a drop of a hat, it's ironic you're such a skins fan. Considering that historically the Redskins have been a very racist franchise. One owner (can't remember his name) blasted someone from the WP and said he couldn't make a better pick in the draft, they gave the guy from the WP a pick in the last round (back then I think it was 13th or something) and before this the Redskins had not yet been integrated (we were the last NFL team I believe, until pressured by the league) the WP chose some TE that they said was black, told the owner that the Redskins now had their first black player, the owner flipped out and got the pick rejected, but it turned out the player wasn't even black to begin with. That story is kinda mish mashed from what I remember in some book about weird sports things. Not that I agree with this, but you must learn from histories mistakes.

WeWhite - do you write for ESPN. I read some tripe that Ben Wallace wasn't popular because he wasn't the type of black person white america wanted to see. He had an afro and tatoos. I'd give my left nut for an afro (I wanted one so bad I actually made my friend not cut his hair!) and god knows white America avoids tatoos like the plague... It's ridiculous. Ben is a great defensive player, but his offense lacks. What sells in most sports? Most of the time offense sells tickets, jerseys, and popularity. Defense in the NFL has contact and is quite a bit more exciting than taking a charge.

All in all -- what's with the racist stuff. I never see anyone say anything remotely close to racist, yet you're always bringing up that because an athelete is black we don't like/think they're over-rated. Is it so hard to fathom that we are able to look past skin color and look at their personallity (as best as we can tell from the media), and their skills to decide? The only racist comments I ever see on this board are yours.
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Old 07-07-2005, 10:51 PM   #66
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I will make the case that I have NO IDEA whether his recievers are any good are not. It could be mostly Vick's problem. And can we stop with the racist bullshit? And for goodness sake please at least use some type of reasonable sentence structure and punctuation. Vick didn't singlehandedly do anything with that team. He has a great defense and good RBs and good OL. That's the reason they're in the playoffs. If Vick couldn't run, he'd be in the dustbin of history with Health Shuler and Ryan Leaf. period.
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Old 07-07-2005, 10:54 PM   #67
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Also, Heath Shuler and Ryan leaf were white. It didn't help them not suck. Not that that's a fair comparison, though. Vick is WAY better than either of those guys.
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WeWhite - First of all, calm down with the capitilization. It's tedious to read that crap, just use regular sentences. The nice thing about this board is using all caps isn't necessary because most everyone reads the entire post.

Also, I've never seen someone incorporate so much racism into football. I don't know a single person who sees a black guy behind center and says "He can't be a QB." The fact of the matter is Vick isn't a prototypical QB whereas Peyton Manning is. Peyton Manning is very smart, great at reading defenses, and calls his own plays, I honestly don't think that Vick can handle or acheive any of that. Before you call me some sort of racist lets look at the backround I know on Vick: 1) Couldn't handle Dan Reeves system. The terminology and plays had to be simplified for Vick to understand them. 2) My friends sister tutored him while she was at tech. My friend (who by the way is the biggest vick fan in the world) said that his sister told him that Vick was by far the dumbest person she ever met. That doesn't speak volumes for him when it comes to reading defenses.

Vick is an exciting player, he's a great scrambler, but he still has work to do to become a great QB. It's like calling an H-Back a TE. Kinda -- but not really. His arm strength is great, his scrambling is the best we've ever seen, and he has potential out his ass. Not having any receivers besides Crumpler doesn't exactly help his cause, but he's not yet a very good passer. I think he'll slowly make the transition as his body gets older/takes more abuse he'll have to protect himself more. Funny you mention McNabb, he became an all-pro when he started to pass more (though he's not accurate either).

For someone who brings racism up at a drop of a hat, it's ironic you're such a skins fan. Considering that historically the Redskins have been a very racist franchise. One owner (can't remember his name) blasted someone from the WP and said he couldn't make a better pick in the draft, they gave the guy from the WP a pick in the last round (back then I think it was 13th or something) and before this the Redskins had not yet been integrated (we were the last NFL team I believe, until pressured by the league) the WP chose some TE that they said was black, told the owner that the Redskins now had their first black player, the owner flipped out and got the pick rejected, but it turned out the player wasn't even black to begin with. That story is kinda mish mashed from what I remember in some book about weird sports things. Not that I agree with this, but you must learn from histories mistakes.

WeWhite - do you write for ESPN. I read some tripe that Ben Wallace wasn't popular because he wasn't the type of black person white america wanted to see. He had an afro and tatoos. I'd give my left nut for an afro (I wanted one so bad I actually made my friend not cut his hair!) and god knows white America avoids tatoos like the plague... It's ridiculous. Ben is a great defensive player, but his offense lacks. What sells in most sports? Most of the time offense sells tickets, jerseys, and popularity. Defense in the NFL has contact and is quite a bit more exciting than taking a charge.

All in all -- what's with the racist stuff. I never see anyone say anything remotely close to racist, yet you're always bringing up that because an athelete is black we don't like/think they're over-rated. Is it so hard to fathom that we are able to look past skin color and look at their personallity (as best as we can tell from the media), and their skills to decide? The only racist comments I ever see on this board are yours.
Originally, I was going to repeat EXACTLY what you said. Excellent explanation. Let's calm down with the racist bullshit.
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Old 07-08-2005, 12:58 AM   #69
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On the Topic of Ben Wallace, he's my favorite player in the NBA. Hard work and heart. He's a joy to watch and since we're talking about being underrated or overrrated, I think he still manages to be underrated somehow.
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Deasel without a doubt you are one of the most articulate guys on this board, well put.

Again way to go to whoever started this threat, you are the best.
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Old 07-08-2005, 09:44 AM   #71
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Thanks alot Redrobert, I did start it.
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Daseal is right, race has nothing to do with this conversation, so let's just stay away from that altogether.
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Thats Funny, That Vick Is Pick As Being The Most Overrated Player In The League, Uh No I Don't Think So, If After 3yrs They Haven't Figured Him Out, I Don't Think They Will Now....vick Is Far From Being The Most Overrated Player Maybe Maybe That Manning Kid In Ny, Or Kyle Boller, Oh Yeah Joey Harrington, Done Panned Out Well...oh My God, I Forgot, What About Good Ol Drew Bledsoe, If The Pocket Breaks, He Gone...poor Aron Brooks, Always We Be In The Shadow Of Poor Ole Cus....and Drew Brees....lucky He Had A. Gates Or He Would Have Been Shipped Out......so Lets See How M. Vick Career Ends Up....hell Lets See If Patrick Ramsey Will, Be Back Next Year...or Guess What...hello Campbell, Another Overrated Player That I've Heard That Wasn't Worth The Price...........
First someone has to be considered good before they are overrated.
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Old 07-08-2005, 10:57 AM   #74
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ok, whatever you say Daseal, but you are wrong, even Mcnabb said it that, why do he have to be labled a black QB, and not just a QB, its not racism, i only kicked out the facts, you don't have to like it, like i said no one ever said that Fran tarkenton was overrated and i like him (how about that me liking a white QB) anyway, and Peyton Manning may be one of a few QB's who call his own plays, so whats your point, What Vick really is that dumb....oh my god i hope not, that would set us back another 20 years, and racism in sports goes back futher than the little peace you put up....and does Peyton Greatness, have anything to do with the receivers he have, I think Joe Montana is the greatest QB of all times, but how great would he have been without jerry rice, and as far as you wanting a afro, OK role with that, and far as me being a redskin fan, don't need to validate that, i been a skins fan since the early 80's so, i don't have to defend myself on that and never will, and didn't someone say that some coach who use to work for Auburn said that Jason Campbell was the dumbest player he ever coached..........there is a pattern
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i agree aron brooks is not close to being considered a qb, who said that......he should transfer to wr....bottom line, i agree Bigskinbauer
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