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Old 07-12-2005, 11:14 PM   #1
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By Clark Judge
CBS SportsLine.com Senior Writer

7. Will Joe Gibbs get it turned around in Washington?

No, and, trust me, it hurts to say it. The classy Gibbs was a great coach who pulled the most out of his clubs in the 1980s. But that was two decades ago, and Gibbs last year seemed out of step with the times. I know, the Redskins changed their offense and blocking schemes, but does anyone really believe this team is better with Santana Moss instead of Laveranues Coles? Without Fred Smoot? Without Antonio Pierce? Plus, what's the deal with Sean Taylor? Then there's this: If the organization doesn't believe it can win with Patrick Ramsey -- as the draft of first-rounder Jason Campbell suggests -- why should we? The problem with Washington is that there hasn't been consistency with the players or the coaching staff since Dan Snyder took over, and that's a recipe for disaster. Fasten your


This is what kills me, Smoot and Pierce have one good year each and all of a sudden they are the backbone to this team and losing them will be one of the main reasons why joe gibbs WILL NOT "turn it around" in D.C. Did he forget we were 6-10? We had other issues, and they were not entirely with personel.


Also, he acts like losing Coles was some blow to the offense? Weak, very weak.

Was Gibbs "out of step with the times" last year. At times, yes. Does he deserve the benefit of the doubt to turn it around? Hmmmm, I wonder.
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Old 07-12-2005, 11:28 PM   #2
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Yeah, I'm so sick of hearing about the departure of Smoot and Peirce killing our team. I can't beleive it. These idiots are just quoting other idiots. I have yet to hear anything original in why the Skins won't succeed this coming year. It is always 1. Smoot and Peirce leaving 2. Gibbs doesn't trust Ramsey, and 3. Moss isn't as good as Coles. Fine, have your opinion. Problem is, this isn't this guys opionion. I don't know who was the first jackass writer to type this dribble down, but it is the same article every freaking time. It's almost bordering on comical. In all seriousness, I've seen this article at least a dozen times, with the wording slightly different.
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Old 07-12-2005, 11:32 PM   #3
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Here's someone on our side
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Old 07-12-2005, 11:38 PM   #4
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Smoot played pretty well for his entire career. Not just one good season. Walt Harris at starting CB scares me a bit, and with the delays to Rogers, I think GWs system could be hurting. CBs are so important in his system, if Walt doesn't really step up our defense could be in trouble.
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Old 07-12-2005, 11:43 PM   #5
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What scares you about Walt Harris starting?
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Thats was a fair and refreshing artice, Thnks TAFKAS
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Old 07-12-2005, 11:52 PM   #7
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Keep underestimating us. Fine with me. See us as an easy week, look ahead to the next "big" game, go ahead. Everybody knows that Drew Bledsoe's Dallas cowroids are the real rising power in the division.

(I like that article, TAFKAS--a refreshing change.)
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Old 07-13-2005, 12:59 AM   #8
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Smoot did play well for us while he was here, but I dont understand how these analists keep talking about Perice like he was our 1st round draft choice that we just lost. Last time I checked wasnt he a undrafted free agent that we got lucky on? Yes Perice was awesome for us last season and I wished that he would have stayed, but just the fact that he left us for bigger money kinda spells out that even he knew that the system made him what he is and figured that it is time for him to get paid...
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Old 07-13-2005, 02:05 AM   #9
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let him go. im tired of this negativity. seven or eight games into the season, critics will be talking about a turnaround, similar to the nats in the mlb, and the chargers in the nfl. oh and btw, tafkas, that article made me happy. that's hard to do nowadays considering all the bull that comes our way.
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Old 07-13-2005, 03:48 AM   #10
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What he doesn't understand is Williams made Smoot and Pierce what they have become, Rogers is more talented than Smoot, and I think Harris is as good as Smoot, anytime he was in last year he was all over his reciever, as far as MLB we have more depth now than we did last season before Pierce stepped up.

His point about Ramsey is right on though, picking Campbell and giving up everything we gave up for him just screams disgust and distain for what Gibbs really thinks of Ramsey.

All that aside Gibbs is the key, will he catch up to today's NFL, or is he just really washed up?
I think that Smoot was pretty good before Williams came here, so I would have to disagree with you on that, but I do agree that Williams did jump start Pierce's career....
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Old 07-13-2005, 04:51 AM   #11
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well profootball weekly also gives us no love----Says we had "nightmare offseason"
http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW...holm070605.htm
The Redskins are on the verge of capping one of the roughest offseasons in recent memory. Of course, in retrospect, most Redskins offseasons are bad; they just usually look good as they are happening. Maybe change is good, but in this case, most people agreed that the team suffered some key losses and was unable to get much immediate help. And trumping everything has been the Sean Taylor saga, which will continue to haunt the club through the season.

Now first-round pick CB Carlos Rogers was discovered to have a stress fracture in his right foot and a bone bruise in his right ankle — injuries that will force the Redskins’ top pick to miss the start of camp. The injury likely will set him back from challenging for a starting spot, meaning Walt Harris and Artrell Hawkins are the team’s Nos. 2 and 3 corners for now.

With Taylor’s status up in the air and Rogers out of the picture for the start of camp, a secondary that was an underrated and vital piece of the team’s defensive success last season will be knocked down a peg or two. And this is on a unit that also lost CB Fred Smoot and MLB Antonio Pierce and failed to acquire another defensive lineman. One Redskins defensive coach swears this offseason that Phillip Daniels is going to have a great year, but that’s far from a certainty, seeing as how he missed 11 games last season and hasn’t had more than 5 sacks in a season since 2001.
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Good to see that all 255 rookie draft picks made it to the mandatory Rookie Symposium this offseason. Though it’s not a harbinger of future failure, past absentees include Ryan Leaf and Sean Taylor.

Does anyone besides me think that Chad Morton is not only going to make the Patriots' roster but also run back at least one kickoff/punt for a touchdown? Two years ago he was the most coveted free-agent returner in the league before he got "Redskinned" (what happens to good players when they go to Washington).

I’ll give the Redskins some credit. I think hanging on to Rod Gardner, for now, might be smart. There’s interest in him from a few teams, and any club that loses a starting receiver at the start of camp might want to place a call to Joe Gibbs.
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Old 07-13-2005, 05:09 AM   #12
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I think that all the media take a certain spin on the team. Either they will be good and this is the year, or we are set up to give denver the number 3 draft pick next year. I think it is in the middle, not that we can't be horrible or great next year with 4 wins or 12 wins, our team has problems but they are not destroying. The loss of morton is nothing and i hope he does well but i won't feel bad for releasing him even if he pulls off 2 touchdowns returning next year. Pierce, i won't miss his physical attributes(we got mccune), i will miss his brain that set up the line and got everyone ready. Smoot is what i am most worried about, i liked smoot more than bailey when they were both here, not because smoot was better, it was just his attitude and love for the team. He will be replaced by arris and harris will do fine. Our backfield isn't destroyed as some reports make it seem, we have springs, taylor, bowen, and harris/rodgers. that is a damn good backfield, and few teams have better.

Offensively, i know we got better, we got 2 out of the top 3 top yards per average recievers with over 40 catches. That is not an accident, we got the speed needed to help the passing game and even if we complete less we will have larger completions w/o coles. This will help portis in running and cooley in catching the shorter passes. It is looking good.

Our season lays in the hands of our QB and if he fails this year we will fail, things looked up toward the end of the season(Ramsey was doing well in the last 5 games he had 3 games w/ over a 100 passer rating, high 139). I really don't know how he will do. If it is good i know anything can happen, everything else on our team is above average
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Old 07-13-2005, 08:57 AM   #13
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His point about Ramsey is right on though, picking Campbell and giving up everything we gave up for him just screams disgust and distain for what Gibbs really thinks of Ramsey.
I just don't agree with this at all.

When Gibbs had Joe Theismann in hand, he acquired Jay Schroeder. When he had Jay Schroeder in hand, he acquired Doug Williams. When he had Doug Williams in hand, he acquired Mark Rypien.

Gibbs has always felt the need to have two quality quarterbacks on the roster. He tried to do that last year by bringing Brunell in to join Ramsey. If anything, the Campbell draft pick is an indictment of Mark Brunell; I think Gibbs now realizes that Brunell is a bum (despite what he says publicly).

I think Gibbs just saw something special in Campbell and decided to go get him. Gibbs likes to have two good QBs, and he's just going to play the best one. Simple as that.
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So Gibbs has disgust and distain for Ramsey?

Meanwhile he's repeatedly said, since very early in the offseason, that Patrick is his starter.

Interesting.

I guess Gibbs is just blowing smoke up our asses.

Like Schneed10 said, Gibbs has always had 2 starting quality QBs on his rosters, Gibbs hasn't changed his tune at all in that regard. So why are people spinning it as he somehow hates Ramsey?

Ridiculous.
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Very true. Brunell was SUPPOSED to be the second quality quarterback. I'd be afraid to have had Hasselbeck leading us if a starter was injured.
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