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Old 07-22-2005, 01:12 PM   #76
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Seriously. AND the avatars AND the signatures...
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Old 07-22-2005, 01:35 PM   #77
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Well guess what jackass, Ive got a reason to! Look at the personell moves these idiots have made, that's why we are in the hole we are in. Thanks to Cerrato and Snyder, the following free agents and drafts have built our team (not).

Stephen Alexander (2nd round 1998)
Skip Hicks (3rd round 1998)
Mark Fischer (5th round 1998)
Nate Stimson (4th round 1999)
Derek G. Smith (5th round 1999)
Lloyd Harrison (3rd round 2000)
Michael Moore (4th round 2000)
Quincy Sanders (5th round 2000)
Sage Rosenfels (4th Round 2001)

Our middle round picks SUCKED for years!!! This is partially the reason we can't build a team.
On one hand, he's right. Lots of misses there. But take a closer look:
Stephen Alexander: 113 catches in first 3 years as a Redskin (most catches by a Redskin TE in that duration since 1993) - not re-signed after injury-plagued 4th season. Pro Bowler in 2000. This was not a bad pick.

Skip Hicks: 8 TD's as a rookie. Stuck behind Stephen Davis during Redskins tenure, purged during the Schottenheimer regime. Still in the league, by the way, unlike first round pick Curtis Enis.

Marc Fisher: 16 game starter in 2000. A quote from an interview with Business Week magazine - "In April of 1998, I was drafted by the Washington Redskins... During my half decade in the NFL...I broke my leg, tore my anterior cruciate ligament, disfigured my fingers, got married, had a son, started 18 games... got released and retired." Doesn't sound like a screw-up by the front office.

Sage Rosenfels: Drafted by one coach, traded by another. The year Rosenfels was traded we had complete turnover at the position - not one QB remained on the roster. Rosenfels still has a job in the NFL, which indicates he isn't entirely a lost cause.

As for the rest, you win. Like every team in the NFL, the Redskins have made some bad picks. Don't believe me? In 2000, the mighty New England Patriots (the benchmark by which all drafts should be measured) selected Adrian Klemm, J. R. Redmond and Greg - Robinson Randall. Klemm, the top pick, saw action in 2 games last year. Redmond has 196 career carries and is no longer with the team. Randall is no longer with his team, and got exactly zero snaps in 2004.
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Old 07-22-2005, 01:35 PM   #78
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Why don't we find out the answer to our decision-making questions straight from the horse's mouth
Good find...

I knew I had read that before, I just couldn't place where it was from.
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Old 07-22-2005, 01:39 PM   #79
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Cerrato is a pretty stand-up guy it seems like to me.
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Old 07-22-2005, 02:31 PM   #80
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Forgot to mention that wonderful trade deal that brought us Trung Candidate. Anyone remember if we gave up a 2nd or a 3rd rounder for Trung?
This is getting old, Paul. What does Trung Canidate have to do with a front office in which Gibbs calls the shots??

That's not a rhetorical question.
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Cerrato is a pretty stand-up guy it seems like to me.
Vinny never stands up...it would be to hard for him to keep his nose up Danny's butt if he were standing.
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Old 07-22-2005, 02:57 PM   #82
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Vinny never stands up...it would be to hard for him to keep his nose up Danny's butt if he were standing.

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Old 07-22-2005, 02:59 PM   #83
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Forgot to mention that wonderful trade deal that brought us Trung Candidate. Anyone remember if we gave up a 2nd or a 3rd rounder for Trung?
I'm going to steal a quote that someone else used on a sister site, taken from the 1970 movie Kelly's Heroes..it should be our mantra.

"Why don't you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don't you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don't you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?"
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Old 07-22-2005, 03:15 PM   #84
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It was a 4th rounder and David Loverne for Candidate...

Cracking on this deal is absurd, we gave up nothing for a former 1st round pick.
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Old 07-22-2005, 03:52 PM   #85
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Sorry if I did a duplicate post, my computer screwed up and its been one HELLUA DAY!! But... I am now officially a home owner!
congrats, now the work begins
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Old 07-22-2005, 04:17 PM   #86
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I'm going to borrow from what Schneed10 said:

Griffin - hit
Springs - hit
M Washington - hit
Portis - hit
C Cooley - hit
S Taylor - hit
Walt Harris - hit
Salavea - big hit for the money
Brunell - miss
Barrow - miss

I'm sorry but that's a damn good offseason.

You're reaching deep if you're bringing up Trung Candidate, that's just ridiculous dude I'm sorry.

And like I said, a 4th rounder and a scrub offensive lineman for a former 1st round pick? I fail to see where this was a horrible deal. In the end it was a nothing for nothing deal.
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Old 07-22-2005, 04:24 PM   #87
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I don't deny the front office has made it's share of mistakes, especially in Snyder's first couple of seasons.

The spending spree in 2000 was a big mistake, and in the past the front office has definitely chased the big name, high priced players that haven't yielded much on the field.

BUT, we also have to consider the constant coaching turnover hasn't helped much either. With each new coach comes different styles and different needs for personnel, so we've been constantly going after different types of players year to year.

Now however, we're taking a different approach and are filling in the roster much more wisely in my opinion.

There were plenty of free agents available this offseason that in the past we would have chased. Instead we stood pat and made smarter moves that filled need positions like Rabach, Holdman, Rogers, etc.

I'm just saying we should judge the current front office for the job they're doing, 2-3 years ago is totally irrelevant. Nobody is denying the past screw-ups, but what does that have to do with right now?? That's all I'm saying.
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