Warpath  

Home | Forums | Salary Cap Info | Shop | Donate | Stay Connected




Go Back   Warpath > Redskins Forums > Redskins Locker Room


Video of all of Ramsey's and Brunnell's passes against the Bears

Redskins Locker Room


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 09-15-2005, 02:09 PM   #46
I like big (_|_)s.
 
TheMalcolmConnection's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Lexington, Virginia
Age: 32
Posts: 17,463
Re: Video of all of Ramsey's and Brunnell's passes against the Bears

Really you are underestimating Brunell. Did you WATCH last week's game? Seriously. He threw some intermediate passes and completed them when he needed to.

And about managing the game,I believe that he threw the ball away when he needed to AND showed some mobility by running out of the pocket and completing some passes.
__________________
Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.
TheMalcolmConnection is offline   Reply With Quote

Advertisements
Old 09-15-2005, 02:10 PM   #47
The Starter
 
SUNRA's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 1,680
Re: Video of all of Ramsey's and Brunnell's passes against the Bears

Quote:
Originally Posted by ladyfan06
NOW THAT SOUNDS LIKE THE MAKINGS OF A TRUE GENIUS!!
Hallelujah! Someone actually understands Gibbs and his phenomenal strategy to beating those no good lousy tuna smelling Cowbitches. No turnover. No film footage. I can't wait.
__________________
Redskins Member since 1970
SUNRA is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-2005, 03:58 PM   #48
Uncle Phil
 
SmootSmack's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 44,585
Re: Video of all of Ramsey's and Brunnell's passes against the Bears

Quote:
Originally Posted by offiss
we already are finding out that in a regular season game WR's are running the wrong routes, nobody believes that the same was taking place in the pre season, while everyone got used to each other as well as a new system?
How come whenever I, Matty, and others bring up players getting used to each other as well as a new system (and not only that, there was also an entirely new coaching staff) last season when Brunell was QB it's shot down "Oh Mark Brunell, all he does is dink and dunk, he sucks"

But then when it's Ramsey, suddenly it's all about WR's running wrong routes, players getting used to each other, new system. I don't know, I suppose if I was a genius like Ramsey allegedly is, I'd have the answer
__________________
You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You
SmootSmack is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-2005, 04:00 PM   #49
Playmaker
 
illdefined's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: nyc
Age: 38
Posts: 2,631
Re: Video of all of Ramsey's and Brunnell's passes against the Bears

Quote:
Originally Posted by illdefined
even if you take away the value of Ramsey hittin his receiver in stride or in a position to move upfield (as opposed to Brunell's "safe" dink/dunks), then that's 53 yds in 3 drives vs. 70 in 3 quarters. how many drives was that? i agree the running game got it going by then, but Ramsey didn't have that luxury.

i agree Brunell (a left-hander as Brud expertly pointed out) coming into a system set up for another QB lowered the offense's efficiency. think one week of practice can overcome months of offseason?
well, i think everything's been said thats had to be said in this mother of all arguments. i would still like some opinions (or facts even) on the above unanswered question though.
illdefined is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-2005, 04:58 PM   #50
Playmaker
 
Longtimefan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Germantown, Md.
Posts: 4,832
Re: Video of all of Ramsey's and Brunnell's passes against the Bears

Today is Thursday, and I started reading all these Ramsey Vs. Brunell post's on Monday and I'm still not finished yet. Different threads, but all the same information, some like Sonny, some like Billy and we could just go on and on and on, but I don't think Gibbs will change his mind based on what we think. The very best we can do is support whoever is behind Center and "hope" we can win some football games.

What's most confusing about listening to all the various accounts relative to Ramsey Vs. Brunell is that even a blind man could have seen this coming, that's why it shouldn't come as such a great shock to anyone. Neither was this decision based on what happened in the course of the game against the Bears on Sunday. If you have listened to Gibbs closely he stated his decision was based on the overall situation, and much of that has to do with things we don't see therefore we can't comment on. I'm throughly convinced Gibbs decision to change QB'b was not all about Ramsey's performance in Sunday's game, hence we can forget about that Ramsey didn't have a fair chance senerio. Those of us famaliar with Gibbs know it's not just about how many passes you complete or for how many yards, it's about the ability to "lead" and manage a football game.

Let's rally around whoever our QB is because if we consider ourselves true fans, we rocognize the fact they're going to need our support. When George Allen was coach here I recall at one time him making the statement and I quote "When you have two QB's you don't any" It only serves to divide the team. I pray that our team is not as divided over this as many of our posters seem to be.
Longtimefan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-2005, 05:14 PM   #51
Special Teams
 
VishsSkins's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Age: 25
Posts: 173
Re: Video of all of Ramsey's and Brunnell's passes against the Bears

Neither ramsey or brunell looked superb in the bears game. Gibbs definitely did not base his decision to change QBs on that one game alone, so I really see no point in talking about who did better. From what I have seen in the preseason (and preseason is all we can judge them on since our offense this year is nothing like our offense last year) ramsey is capable of getting big chunks of yards by throwing the ball deep but i think everyone can agree that he is about as inconsistent as it gets. Remember the cincy game? Sure, he put up over 150yds in one half but how many point did we score with him in there? The point is that costly turnovers outweigh gaining a bunch of yardage and ramsey has always been prone to throwing ints and standing too long in the pocket, leading to a high number of sacks and even some fumbles.

Our offense is much different than it was last year and brunell has not gotten an opportunity to be a part of it. A lot of people say that the only reason brunell did good in the preseason was because he was going against 2nd and 3rd stringers. Well, wasnt he working with our 2nd and 3rd string offense too? If the argument has been made that he would have done worse had he played against 1st team defenses, isnt it logical to belive he would have done better with our first team offense? I dont know about you guys but to me, throughout the whole preseason, brunell just looked much more comfortable out there. He throws the ball with a lot more zip on it than last year and he also seems more mobile as well. What makes everyone think that he cant get the ball downfield while ramsey can? Our offensive gameplan was a lot more mellow when brunell was in there but we still moved the ball efficiently. I just think that its unfair to say that all brunell can do is "dink and dunk" while ramsey can sling it around as he pleases. That really doesnt seem like an accurate statement. I agree that ramsey was on a short leash but has he really shown that he can be a quality starter in the NFL? I am not saying that I like brunell better than ramsey but what I am saying is that we need to look at this objectively and see where gibbs is coming from. I do not think ramsey is a better QB than brunell. If gibbs feels more comfortable having brunell be his QB than brunell should be in there.

With our defense and running game, we dont need a manning, or mcnabb, or culpepper, or anyone close to that caliber. We need a QB who can manage the game, complete a high percentage of his passes, doesnt turn the ball over, and has the ability to open up the passing game when necessary. I see know reason why brunell doenst fit that description.
VishsSkins is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-2005, 05:16 PM   #52
Special Teams
 
VishsSkins's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Age: 25
Posts: 173
Re: Video of all of Ramsey's and Brunnell's passes against the Bears

Quote:
Originally Posted by Longtimefan
Today is Thursday, and I started reading all these Ramsey Vs. Brunell post's on Monday and I'm still not finished yet. Different threads, but all the same information, some like Sonny, some like Billy and we could just go on and on and on, but I don't think Gibbs will change his mind based on what we think. The very best we can do is support whoever is behind Center and "hope" we can win some football games.

What's most confusing about listening to all the various accounts relative to Ramsey Vs. Brunell is that even a blind man could have seen this coming, that's why it shouldn't come as such a great shock to anyone. Neither was this decision based on what happened in the course of the game against the Bears on Sunday. If you have listened to Gibbs closely he stated his decision was based on the overall situation, and much of that has to do with things we don't see therefore we can't comment on. I'm throughly convinced Gibbs decision to change QB'b was not all about Ramsey's performance in Sunday's game, hence we can forget about that Ramsey didn't have a fair chance senerio. Those of us famaliar with Gibbs know it's not just about how many passes you complete or for how many yards, it's about the ability to "lead" and manage a football game.

Let's rally around whoever our QB is because if we consider ourselves true fans, we rocognize the fact they're going to need our support. When George Allen was coach here I recall at one time him making the statement and I quote "When you have two QB's you don't any" It only serves to divide the team. I pray that our team is not as divided over this as many of our posters seem to be.
I agree with you a hundred percent
VishsSkins is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-2005, 05:20 PM   #53
Living Legend
 
That Guy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Springfield, VA
Age: 31
Posts: 16,246
Re: Video of all of Ramsey's and Brunnell's passes against the Bears

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mattyk72
Once and for all, I'm not a Ramsey hater nor am I a Brunell lover.

The team comes above all.

I don't hold Brunell in any higher regard than I do Ramsey, but to me it seems that a lot of people are holding Ramsey in high regard or why else does everyone seem so eager to dismiss his inconcistency and turnovers while damning Brunell in the same breath. They're both pretty similar in terms of suckiness. (is that a word? I dunno sounds good though)

They both STUNK last year. But Brunell appears to be the lesser of the two evils right now.
they both stunk last year, but brunell clearly stunk more, I think that's about it.
__________________
Who says shameless self promotion is stupid? oh yeah, that was me... Click For Tunes!
That Guy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-2005, 05:55 PM   #54
Thank You, Sean.
 
Gmanc711's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Gaithersburg, MD
Age: 28
Posts: 7,497
Re: Video of all of Ramsey's and Brunnell's passes against the Bears

Quote:
Originally Posted by That Guy
they both stunk last year, but brunell clearly stunk more, I think that's about it.
Brunell was clearly the worst qb last season. He was throwing passes into the ground 5 ft in front of his recivers...he just looked AWFUL. People are worried about seeing that Mark Brunell QB our team again this year.
__________________
#21
Gmanc711 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-2005, 05:59 PM   #55
‎\m/
 
Mattyk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Age: 41
Posts: 80,427
Re: Video of all of Ramsey's and Brunnell's passes against the Bears

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gmanc711
Brunell was clearly the worst qb last season. He was throwing passes into the ground 5 ft in front of his recivers...he just looked AWFUL. People are worried about seeing that Mark Brunell QB our team again this year.
The key is last year.

People don't seem to be worried that we'll see the same Brunell this year, they seem firmly convinced they will and are giving him zero chance for improvement.

That's what I take issue with.
__________________
Support The Warpath! | Warpath Shop
Mattyk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-2005, 07:54 PM   #56
Playmaker
 
illdefined's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: nyc
Age: 38
Posts: 2,631
Re: Video of all of Ramsey's and Brunnell's passes against the Bears

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mattyk72
The key is last year.

People don't seem to be worried that we'll see the same Brunell this year, they seem firmly convinced they will and are giving him zero chance for improvement.

That's what I take issue with.
having low expectations for significant improvement in a 35 year old QB who we saw much of last season isn't unreasonable.
illdefined is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-2005, 08:17 PM   #57
‎\m/
 
Mattyk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Age: 41
Posts: 80,427
Re: Video of all of Ramsey's and Brunnell's passes against the Bears

I guess we'll find some answers on Monday.

Thank god.
__________________
Support The Warpath! | Warpath Shop
Mattyk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-2005, 08:18 PM   #58
Playmaker
 
Longtimefan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Germantown, Md.
Posts: 4,832
Re: Video of all of Ramsey's and Brunnell's passes against the Bears

There have been several QB's that come to mind who didn't reach their maxium potential until their mid 30's. One of our Superbowl MVP's was well into his 30's, so I guess some save the best for last.
Longtimefan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-2005, 10:32 PM   #59
Living Legend
 
That Guy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Springfield, VA
Age: 31
Posts: 16,246
Re: Video of all of Ramsey's and Brunnell's passes against the Bears

didnt gannon break out just before retirement age?
__________________
Who says shameless self promotion is stupid? oh yeah, that was me... Click For Tunes!
That Guy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-2005, 11:41 PM   #60
Playmaker
 
Longtimefan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Germantown, Md.
Posts: 4,832
Re: Video of all of Ramsey's and Brunnell's passes against the Bears

Matty; As bad as Brunell looked last year, throwing passes short of the receivers, in the dirt, in the stands, just awful, Ramsey still could not get off the pine. Just think about that for a minute: Any coach in any league anywhere in the world would have benched him, but Gibbs stuck with him despite how badly he was playing because he knew his options were limited. Brunell's terrible play was an indictment of what little faith Gibbs had in Ramsey, and he wouldn't have taken Brunell out when he did except for fear of mutiny at Fed-X on Sundays. It's really sad to think a coach would tolerate that kind of play before going to his first alternative.
Longtimefan is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 11:32 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
This site is not officially affiliated with the Washington Redskins or the NFL.
Page generated in 0.32237 seconds with 9 queries

Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.2.0 RC5

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25