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Old 04-10-2004, 08:55 PM   #31
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Gotta agree with Ghost. With a proven line coach like Bugel in town, maybe he sees something in Samuels that leads him to belive he's easily replaced. Or maybe it's a lot of talk to get Samuels agent to the table. Regardless, in two weeks if we have Gallery and Taylor, then great. If all we have is a rookie Tackle then we're in some serious trouble.
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Old 04-10-2004, 09:49 PM   #32
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The skins are not going to do anything that Joe Gibbs doesn't bless. And it is possible that they could be going after Galley. Joe built his champs from great o lines and using many other adequate players working in unison ex. Neil Olkewicz. Let Joe work his magic.
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Old 04-10-2004, 10:01 PM   #33
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the more I think about it the more Galley makes sense, guess we'll have to wait and see
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Old 04-10-2004, 11:52 PM   #34
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Hey guys,
I've read what everybody has to say and they are all valid points. This is the first that I've heard about a Gallery pick. I am a Samuels fan as much as anybody, but there may be some merit to this. Yes, we're giving up a great tackle for another great (although unproven) tackle, but Gallery's cap numbers will be much better. As for Gardner, we would get something pretty big in return for Samuels, right? How about a disgruntled and very talented Dennis Northcutt, along with...say...a 2nd round draft pick? I'm in agreeance with most of you that our defensive weekness is staring us straight in the face and that our pick should be used for that. I don't think that Tommie Harris is the answer, but Sean Taylor is head and shoulders above the rest. Taylor is my pick at #5.
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Old 04-11-2004, 12:26 AM   #35
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I think if you look at what Parcells did for Flozel Adams this year, it is clear to me that Bugel can do the same for Samuels. Samuels clearly has all the ability, he just needs to bring in out. A lot of it is confidense. Any athlete knows that is vital and can make a world of difference.
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Old 04-11-2004, 01:54 AM   #36
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I have zero doubts in Samuels' ability, it's his giant cap hits that are a concern.
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Old 04-11-2004, 01:21 PM   #37
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Im surprised that with all of this talk about getting Gallery, and about freeing cap space no one has mentioned how much cap space Gallery would take up. The second pick in the draft commands a hefty pay check. We traded up to get Sameuls with the third pick in the draft. Charles Rogers, the second pick in last years draft, received a 9.1 million dollar signing bonus and is due for a 5.6 million dollar bonus this season. The base salaries arent that much, around a million, but its still a lot of money. Carson Palmer collected the second most amount of money of anyone in the league last year and he didnt even play.

Granted, those numbers are still cheaper that Samuels, but if Gallery played under Snyder he would probably ask him to keep redoing his contract as well. Trading Samuels just buys us time.
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Old 04-11-2004, 02:01 PM   #38
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time and cap space are two very important things though in the NFL today. If this trade can get done without us trading away our 1st rounder, so we can still select Taylor or trade down for d-line help, then I'm all for it. But if it involves our pick then thats too much even though it'd be about a 4-5 million cap space created after the trade and then signing of Gallery. I think the freed up cap space goes up to another million or so next year if this trade happens and another 3 or 4 in the season after next. Plus when he is considered better than Boseli was when he was healthy with Jacksonville, you have to make the trade if its for the right price cuz as good as Samuels had been before the past 2 seasons, Boseli was arguably(sp?) the best tackle in football.
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Old 04-11-2004, 03:01 PM   #39
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It wouldnt be 4-5 million freed up. We're still liable for a bunch of money for Samuels, then wed have to pay a ten million dollar signing bonus to Gallery. And what makes anyone think that the Raiders will get Samuels to agree to a restructure to make the trade work. The only benefit to the Raiders is if we gave them Samuels and Gardner and our pick and they get Samuels to renegioate. I think our best bet is hoping all the trade talks make Samuels renegioate his contract becuase he comes out and says i want to be a Redskin. Infact I think the rumors are just tactics to get him to do so.
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Old 04-11-2004, 04:28 PM   #40
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Gallery would be good. I'd give up our 2nd rounder next yr and Samuels.
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Old 04-11-2004, 05:48 PM   #41
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Gallery is just going to be another Pace or Samuels, wileding an impossible cap number in a few years.
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Old 04-11-2004, 11:47 PM   #42
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From what I can tell Samuels' cap hits are as follows:
2004: $8.750M
2005: $9.643M
2006: $11.320M

Included in the above is $8.797M of deferred signing bonus ($2.932M in 2004-2006).

So the dead-money cap hits if the Skins were to cut/trade Samuels would be as follows:

1. Cut/trade Samuels before June 1st
2004 dead money: $8.797M
2005 dead money: $0

2. Cut/trade Samuels after June 1st
2004 dead money: $2.932
2005 dead money: $5.865
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Old 04-12-2004, 12:18 AM   #43
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Okay, I questioned the Brunell trade, but this Samuels + our #5 pick for the #2 pick is absolutely crazy.

Granted, Samuels didn't have his best season last year. But Samuels for 3 spots!!!!???!!!??? And to select a OT when we've got the former #3 overall pick from 2000 at LT?

We need D-line, not O-line help Mr. Gibbs.
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Old 04-12-2004, 12:24 AM   #44
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I agree RF, just seems like way too much to give up to move up 3 lousy spots.

Something like Gardner and Samuels for the #2 overall sounds like plenty to me, maybe throw in a future pick if necessary, but Samuels and the #5 for just the #2 just doesn't sit well with me.

I'm hoping there's something else going on that we don't know about, some other motive for letting our "interest" for Gallery be known at this point.
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Old 04-12-2004, 12:38 AM   #45
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Samuels was a top-3 pick, and he's a "proven" player with a couple pro bowl
appearances (somehow ). Plus the team that trades for him would resign
him to a new deal that fits their own cap constraints. He should command at
least a top-3 pick in return (ie Gallery), and more IMO.

I would love Samuels for Gallery straight up, but anything more doesn't make sense.
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