Say it ain't so: RAMSEY may be on trading block

SKINSnCANES · 04-13-2004, 09:17 PM

if we could get the numer one pick without getting rid of five they should trade it no matter what to accumulate a bunch of picks in the middle of the round. The only problem is if they give up Samules, because you create a hole then.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 04-14-2004, 12:40 AM

I obviously worship Ramsey, however I think that Rivers is going to be as good as Eli Manning. Rivers has Ramsey beat hands-down in terms of his accuracy and he isn't getting the attention he deserves because he has a funny, yet very effective, throwing style.

When you factor in the fact that trading Ramsey would bring us more picks, I say trade him if San Diego is willing to offer their #1 for Ramsey, Samuels, and Gardner.

Dave Butz Baby! · 04-14-2004, 01:23 AM

Does it really surprise anyone to hear Ramsey's name come up again in trade rumors? The second you hear Chris Samuels' name (contract renegotiations/trade), Ramsey's is sure to follow since they have the same agent, Jimmy Sexton. I remember reading that when Brunell was signed, Sexton wanted a trade for Ramsey and was said to have "leverage" to get it done, since the Skins wanted to rework Samuels' contract.

Sexton/Samuels said no to reworking the deal, and now the Skins are very possibly considering trading away the "leverage" that Sexton had. If that does happen, Sexton's got nothing to bargain with and Ramsey's going nowhere.

It's interesting to watch different players with the same agents go through somewhat simlilar sets of circumstances, especially players on the same team.

Does anyone know if there is a comprehensive list online anywhere with players and their respective agents? Like with seemingly many of the Poston's representees (LaVar, Orlando Pace, Ty Law, Lawyer Milloy, etc etc etc) and their exploits, it's interesting to see who doesn't show up for camp or raises a stink over contracts and which agents they have.

Maybe owners should just start blackballing certain ones!

saden1 · 04-14-2004, 01:50 AM

I have no faith in the Redskin managment.I no longer have any emotional reaction one way or another during the off season. I have that do as you bloody wish mentality.

SKINSnCANES · 04-14-2004, 02:00 AM

Ramsey, Samuels and Gardner for one pick... no way. The more I read all these scenerios where we keep giving away our the team sicker I get. Joe Gibbs wants a core group of Redskins and he isnt going to get it if he trades everyone that is a redskin.

SKINSnCANES · 04-14-2004, 02:00 AM

We have no continuity with out team, and thats something we desperatly need.

BleedBurgundy · 04-14-2004, 03:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by offiss

Are you kidding me? Ramsey, Samuel's, and gardner for the #1 pick? why don't we throw in portis and smoot as well?

Only if we also send La Var, the #5 and Snyder's first born. (actually, that last one might not be a bad idea...)

BrudLee · 04-14-2004, 07:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shane

If we trade to San Diego, as in one theory supposedly heard on a NY radio station yesterday, we may give up Samuels, Gardner, and Ramsey and a 5th round pick this year for Drew Brees, the #1 pick this year, and San Diego's #1 pick in 2005. We keep our #5 pick and get the #1 pick. We draft Gallery and possibly Winslow or Taylor.

That is a move I would make.

If this trade is on the board, then we should take it by all means. It would not only give us two first rounders the next two years, but it would absolutely validate the release of Schottenheimer from the team.

Daseal · 04-14-2004, 07:33 AM

That article says we get San Diego's first this year and next, but it contradicts itself by saying we give them the 5 at one point.

Now, I'm not sure if I'm much for this trade. Samuels and Gardner I can live without, but I really think Ramsey has a future. Who's going to be our QB of the future? Breese? I don't think so. I guess with San Diegos pick next year we could pick the cream of the crop as far as QBs go, but I don't know. There are a ton of great QBs coming out this year.

Either way, I don't believe anything till draft day 8)

sonny-j-no9 · 04-14-2004, 08:26 AM

We have to remember, this is all speculation and rumors. Ramsey isnt going anywhere. I wouldnt be surprised to see Samuels go and I dont think it would be the worst thing in the world. Mainly because his career has been on the downslide the past couple of years (although that could have a lot to do with SS's faulty "blocking" schemes) and he'll have a HUGE impact in the team's salary cap the next couple of years. Gallery's contract would pale in comparison until the back end of the deal. All that said, I agree with most that say that defense is where we need the help -- dline and secondary. A pick up of Sean Taylor would suit me just fine...

Sammy Baugh Fan · 04-14-2004, 08:32 AM

Well I quit using the Lavar Wallpaper the other day and put Ramsey in his place......will someone make a GIBBS wallpaper? PLEASE!!!!!

lol
peace

BleedBurgundy · 04-14-2004, 09:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SKINSnCANES

We have no continuity with out team, and thats something we desperatly need.

Preach on, brother....

dieselhog · 04-14-2004, 09:37 AM

I really hope that ramsey does stay here because Brunnell WILL NOT STAY HEALTHY FOR 16 GAMES!!!!

SkinsRock · 04-14-2004, 10:29 AM

Brunell will play well, but get injured. Ramsey will play better and will be the starter by the end of the season, and will lead us into the play offs.
He will not be traded.

Showtime · 04-14-2004, 10:53 AM

I think Ramsey, by himself, is still worth more than the #1 pick in the draft. He's better than Manning and Rothleisberger for our offense b/c he's more able to play NOW and he's got a rocket arm and is intelligent. Gibbs doesn't want to spend time having a #2 QB who is a rookie.

By the way, I think we should try and trade up for a higher pick, if we can keep teh #5 pick, but pick FITZGERALD instead of Gallery.

04-13-2004, 09:17 PM	#16
SKINSnCANES Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New Jersey Age: 31 Posts: 5,394	if we could get the numer one pick without getting rid of five they should trade it no matter what to accumulate a bunch of picks in the middle of the round. The only problem is if they give up Samules, because you create a hole then. __________________ "I'm used to winning, coming from the University of Miami. " Clinton Portis

04-14-2004, 01:23 AM	#18
Dave Butz Baby! Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Reston, VA Age: 43 Posts: 450	Does it really surprise anyone to hear Ramsey's name come up again in trade rumors? The second you hear Chris Samuels' name (contract renegotiations/trade), Ramsey's is sure to follow since they have the same agent, Jimmy Sexton. I remember reading that when Brunell was signed, Sexton wanted a trade for Ramsey and was said to have "leverage" to get it done, since the Skins wanted to rework Samuels' contract. Sexton/Samuels said no to reworking the deal, and now the Skins are very possibly considering trading away the "leverage" that Sexton had. If that does happen, Sexton's got nothing to bargain with and Ramsey's going nowhere. It's interesting to watch different players with the same agents go through somewhat simlilar sets of circumstances, especially players on the same team. Does anyone know if there is a comprehensive list online anywhere with players and their respective agents? Like with seemingly many of the Poston's representees (LaVar, Orlando Pace, Ty Law, Lawyer Milloy, etc etc etc) and their exploits, it's interesting to see who doesn't show up for camp or raises a stink over contracts and which agents they have. Maybe owners should just start blackballing certain ones! __________________ Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.

04-14-2004, 02:00 AM	#20
SKINSnCANES Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New Jersey Age: 31 Posts: 5,394	Ramsey, Samuels and Gardner for one pick... no way. The more I read all these scenerios where we keep giving away our the team sicker I get. Joe Gibbs wants a core group of Redskins and he isnt going to get it if he trades everyone that is a redskin. __________________ "I'm used to winning, coming from the University of Miami. " Clinton Portis

04-14-2004, 02:00 AM	#21
SKINSnCANES Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New Jersey Age: 31 Posts: 5,394	We have no continuity with out team, and thats something we desperatly need. __________________ "I'm used to winning, coming from the University of Miami. " Clinton Portis

04-14-2004, 08:32 AM	#26
Sammy Baugh Fan Playmaker Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Northern Virginia, Woodbridge Age: 51 Posts: 2,507	Well I quit using the Lavar Wallpaper the other day and put Ramsey in his place......will someone make a GIBBS wallpaper? PLEASE!!!!! lol peace __________________ Check out Mike Hedrick - The Next Food Network Star. Please Click and give me a Thumbs Up and Positive Comment. Thanks

04-14-2004, 12:40 AM	#17
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 34 Posts: 8,317	I obviously worship Ramsey, however I think that Rivers is going to be as good as Eli Manning. Rivers has Ramsey beat hands-down in terms of his accuracy and he isn't getting the attention he deserves because he has a funny, yet very effective, throwing style. When you factor in the fact that trading Ramsey would bring us more picks, I say trade him if San Diego is willing to offer their #1 for Ramsey, Samuels, and Gardner.

04-14-2004, 01:50 AM	#19
saden1 Eternally Legendary Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Seattle Age: 33 Posts: 9,738	I have no faith in the Redskin managment.I no longer have any emotional reaction one way or another during the off season. I have that do as you bloody wish mentality.

04-14-2004, 07:33 AM	#24
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 30 Posts: 8,058	That article says we get San Diego's first this year and next, but it contradicts itself by saying we give them the 5 at one point. Now, I'm not sure if I'm much for this trade. Samuels and Gardner I can live without, but I really think Ramsey has a future. Who's going to be our QB of the future? Breese? I don't think so. I guess with San Diegos pick next year we could pick the cream of the crop as far as QBs go, but I don't know. There are a ton of great QBs coming out this year. Either way, I don't believe anything till draft day 8)

04-14-2004, 08:26 AM	#25
sonny-j-no9 Camp Scrub Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Virginia Beach, VA Age: 45 Posts: 21	We have to remember, this is all speculation and rumors. Ramsey isnt going anywhere. I wouldnt be surprised to see Samuels go and I dont think it would be the worst thing in the world. Mainly because his career has been on the downslide the past couple of years (although that could have a lot to do with SS's faulty "blocking" schemes) and he'll have a HUGE impact in the team's salary cap the next couple of years. Gallery's contract would pale in comparison until the back end of the deal. All that said, I agree with most that say that defense is where we need the help -- dline and secondary. A pick up of Sean Taylor would suit me just fine...

04-14-2004, 09:37 AM	#28
dieselhog Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Bolton, Lancashire Age: 41 Posts: 166	I really hope that ramsey does stay here because Brunnell WILL NOT STAY HEALTHY FOR 16 GAMES!!!!

04-14-2004, 10:29 AM	#29
SkinsRock Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Crofton, MD Age: 43 Posts: 907	Brunell will play well, but get injured. Ramsey will play better and will be the starter by the end of the season, and will lead us into the play offs. He will not be traded.

04-14-2004, 10:53 AM	#30
Showtime Camp Scrub Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 8	I think Ramsey, by himself, is still worth more than the #1 pick in the draft. He's better than Manning and Rothleisberger for our offense b/c he's more able to play NOW and he's got a rocket arm and is intelligent. Gibbs doesn't want to spend time having a #2 QB who is a rookie. By the way, I think we should try and trade up for a higher pick, if we can keep teh #5 pick, but pick FITZGERALD instead of Gallery.

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