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Old 04-13-2004, 07:55 PM   #1
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Huddle Report Mock Draft

http://www.thehuddlereport.com/2004DRAFT/REmock.htm

CHARGERS trade #1 & #66 to REDSKINS for #5 and OT Chris Samuels

01) Washington: Eli Manning QB Miss

BILLS trade #13 to REDSKINS for QB Patrick Ramsey

13: Washington: Vince Wilfork DT, Miami
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Old 04-13-2004, 07:58 PM   #2
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ok this makes no sense whatsoever
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Old 04-13-2004, 08:00 PM   #3
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CHARGERS trade #1 & #66 to REDSKINS for #5 and OT Chris Samuels

01) Washington: Eli Manning QB Miss

BILLS trade #13 to REDSKINS for QB Patrick Ramsey

13: Washington: Vince Wilfork DT, Miami
Well I don't see the benefits of these moves at all. This seems like those cartoons where the character jumps five feet off the ground, spins his legs and feet in a furious frenzy creating a cloud of smoke but doesn't actually go anywhere. That's my "thorough" analysis of where the Redskins would be if they made those moves
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That is possibly the most random, inaccurate thing I have ever seen.
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Old 04-13-2004, 08:02 PM   #5
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Would anyone want Manning more than Ramsey? Not me. Ramsey has a rocket arm, is tough, and is smart.

Anyways, Matty K is right - this makes no sense at all. We might as well draft Clarett with our #5 pick instead . .
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I dont think many people want to get rid of Ramsey, but if he isnt going to play for the next two to three years then mabye we should get somethign for him. I dont want to do that, but Gibbs likes his vetts and Brunell is probably going to start. I dont know if Manning would be the QB to get though. Id rather them get Taylor with five. Then trade Ramsey to get a pick then get a QB. Then we didnt get rid of our pick, and Samuels and Gardner. We could still get rid of Gardner then and mabye our pick form next year and get some dline help.
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Old 04-13-2004, 08:54 PM   #7
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Even though I'd rather keep him, if we traded Ramsey, how about to Pittsburgh, trade that pick down to get a later 1st round pick and a second/or 3rd and use the new 1st round pick to draft J.P. Losman, who took Ramsey's place at Tulane and is supposed to be stronger and more mobile than Ramsey.
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Old 04-13-2004, 08:57 PM   #8
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Some people say Losman is the best QB in the draft and has the most potential a few years down the road. Im sure he would learn a lot under Brunell to, along with Gibbs. If we had the 11th pick though id use it and get the dline of our choice to go along with Taylor at five and make our d awesome.
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Old 04-13-2004, 09:08 PM   #9
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We are still in a winning mode if we draft a QB, hence why he brough in Brunell. If its a backup it can be a rookie or a two year pro. Honestly i want Ramsey to start and Brunell to just be an expensive backup. Spurrier had his problems but I think he was a great tutor to Ramsey, and now beign under Gibbs Ramsey could be a probowler this year if hes given the shot.
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Old 04-13-2004, 10:04 PM   #10
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Much of the Ramsey trade rumors depend on how much Gibbs would like to draft and develop a QB of his very own. Judging from what Gibbs has already said, Ramsey isn't going anywhere.

I was going to say that Ramsey was a Spurrier guy, but that wasn't even the case. Ramsey was Snyder and Cerrato's guy. Spurrier didn't have any decision to take Ramsey. In fact, if you remember, Ramsey was almost traded to the Bears after holding out.
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Old 04-13-2004, 10:15 PM   #11
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This mock seems like a bunch of muck. I can see Marty wanting a quality left tackle but I think other teams will offer alot more than a #5 pick and Samuels for the #1 overall. However, the Ramsey trade does seem interesting to both teams. If he doesn't play for the next two years, his contract will be up and he will want big $$....for sitting.
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Old 04-13-2004, 11:42 PM   #12
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Its that or we pay Brunell big money for sitting now.
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If this were to happen, although it seems somewhat unlikely, I really like it after letting it sink in.

Here are the reasons:

-Ramsey is going to sit the majority of the time over the next couple of years. Why not get something now for him?
-No one can say Ramsey is a true franchise QB (IMO he's not mobile, not accurate enough, can't read defenses all that well)
-Hassellbeck might have shown Gibbs enough to be a decent #2 for now.
-Manning is a franchise QB who can ride the pine for a year (Jay Schroeder was a backup who played in his 2nd year)
-Samuels and Ramsey would really help the cap situation plus it would show agents like Sexton the door
-We would still get a needed DT who has good upside

Overall, it may not make sense, but think about it for a moment...
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Ok, I'm a big Ramsey supporter (I still don't like the whole trade for Brunell) BUT if there was any quarterback I would want in his place, it's Eli Manning. I don't know if you guys remember, but when Peyton was coming out of Tennessee, the whispers on the approach to draft day were to the effect that he(Peyton) was highly overrated. Now, after a hell of a college career at a second-tier school playing in the SEC, arguably the best conference, on average over the last few years; the same thing is being said about Eli, with Ben Roethlisberger and Philip Rivers taking turns playing the role of Ryan Leaf . Remember, Ole Miss came two missed short field goals from beating National Champ's LSU. Point is, the kid's a winner, he's got a proven track record, all the physical ability you need (better than Peyton), no character flaws, and the pedigree from hell. When you take into account that Ramsey probably doesn't feel too good about sitting after taking a shellacking for the team during Spurrier's chuck and duck schemes last year, it might be best just to get a good, high value pick in a deep draft. WIth the Bill's pick we could still get some actual quality on D-Line, our biggest need right now.

I'd like to say "just trust the front office" but who the hell would do such a crazy thing?
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Old 04-14-2004, 08:51 AM   #15
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If this were to happen, although it seems somewhat unlikely, I really like it after letting it sink in.

Here are the reasons:

-Ramsey is going to sit the majority of the time over the next couple of years. Why not get something now for him?
-No one can say Ramsey is a true franchise QB (IMO he's not mobile, not accurate enough, can't read defenses all that well)
-Hassellbeck might have shown Gibbs enough to be a decent #2 for now.
-Manning is a franchise QB who can ride the pine for a year (Jay Schroeder was a backup who played in his 2nd year)
-Samuels and Ramsey would really help the cap situation plus it would show agents like Sexton the door
-We would still get a needed DT who has good upside

Overall, it may not make sense, but think about it for a moment...
I take issue with the statement that Ramsey isn't a true franchise QB, especially if you're going to label Eli Manning one without him even taking one NFL snap.

Ramsey is still very green, but it's way too early to write him off.

Trading Ramsey just doesn't make sense from the persepective that Gibbs loves to have 2 quality QB's who can both play. Throwing a rookie in the mix would totally contradict his philosophy of QB depth. From what I heard about Hasselbeck he didn't show much in minicamp at all, so I think we can rule that idea out.

It also boils down to who says Ramsey is going to sit for the next couple of years? If he gets the chance to start he very well could take the starting job and run with it. Gibbs is going to go with the guy he feels the most comfortable with regardless of the dollar signs next to his name. Brunell hasn't been the most healthy guy recently so Ramsey's time could come sooner rather than later. Even if Brunell beats him out this year, next year could be a different story.
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